A while back I saw a video of some Mantis style dude sparring. It looked like kick boxing. There wasn’t a single mantis-looking technique in there.
But apply this to any style. People often complain that when people of any style spar it often ends up looking like kick boxing. So can they still call it “[whatever] style kung fu”?
Or is it only “[whatever] style kung fu” if it is actually using techniques from that style?
I can just hear the replies of “oh well they were using PRINCIPLES from [whatever] style even if it looked like kick boxing.”
If your opponent switches side in the middle of the fight, and if your back leg round house kick did not kick out at his waist, you don’t understand the word “opening” no matter what style that you train. The moment that you attack the opening, the moment that you will fight just like a kickboxer.
[QUOTE=IronFist;1042829]A while back I saw a video of some Mantis style dude sparring. It looked like kick boxing. There wasn’t a single mantis-looking technique in there.
But apply this to any style. People often complain that when people of any style spar it often ends up looking like kick boxing. So can they still call it “[whatever] style kung fu”?
Or is it only “[whatever] style kung fu” if it is actually using techniques from that style?
I can just hear the replies of “oh well they were using PRINCIPLES from [whatever] style even if it looked like kick boxing.”
Discuss.[/QUOTE]
Have a look at this video clipo from China. Some may say that some of the stuff looks like “kickboxing”, however, one can see Baji/kung fu techniques also:
So, the fact is that in a real fight, the moves cannot be executed cleanly, as in choreography, but the kung fu element should be recognizbable by informed onlookers.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1042929]one can see Baji/kung fu techniques also:[/QUOTE]
Can you see CMA moves in this short clip (round house kick, side kick, knee strike, bear hug, outer hook)?
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1042929]Have a look at this video clipo from China. Some may say that some of the stuff looks like “kickboxing”, however, one can see Baji/kung fu techniques also:
So, the fact is that in a real fight, the moves cannot be executed cleanly, as in choreography, but the kung fu element should be recognizbable by informed onlookers.[/QUOTE]
the first one at 0.15 is called kao shuai in ba ji.
you may use forearm or elbow to kao while the lead leg tripping the opponent. in this case, he may be also doing knee(Xi) kao at the same time.
the posture may be called liang yi ding
if you do this in a high position, it can be called iron fan tie shan or plate kick pan ti.
what do you call the move in kickboxing?
if you may not name it in kickboxing, then it is not kickboxing?
Sorry YouKnowWho, for some reason I am not able to open the link. It could be a problem with my computer, but I will try again, later.
Just to add, when I watch Shan shou matches I can see CMA techniques, some of which exist in other contact martial arts. However, a lot of the time I notice that the Chinese fighters are more physically relaxed and fluid than their opponents from other styles.
There are video clips of Chinese San Da fighters against Japanese Kyokushinkai ones, and one can really see the contrast between the Chinese fighters’ fluidity, in comparison to that of the Japanese ones.
IMHO, this contrast represents CMA qualities, as many kung fu styles emphasis softness, fluidity and relaxedness to higher levels than that of many other MAs, many times through their Internal training.
[QUOTE=IronFist;1042829]A while back I saw a video of some Mantis style dude sparring. It looked like kick boxing. There wasn’t a single mantis-looking technique in there.
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Was it at least good kick boxing?
Were they wearing boxing gloves? That would make it difficult to use some the most recognizable techniques of Mantis.
Some schools just talk about the techniques in the forms and don’t drill them, or only drill them abstractly. :rolleyes:
where is this video, so we can verify your conclusions.
If by kick boxing you mean that a person doing “kung fu” kicks and punches then yes, everytime anyone does kung fu that way it will look like KB>
Fact is, and this has been discussed ad nausem, when under the stress of combat and vs a resisteing trained opponent, ALL ma tend to look like KB because it is the most natural and effective way for the body to “move”.
That said, it doesn’t mean one is NOT doing kung fu, whatever THAT means.
[QUOTE=Faruq;1043342]I know you guys are gonna pick this one apart because I’ve posted it twice before, but I’ve gotta post it since it doesn’t look like kickboxing:
[QUOTE=Syn7;1042959]if you train in a solid stance, high or low, and then start bouncing when it comes time to fight, why not hop around in training???[/QUOTE]
Generally speaking, one should not be hopping around or bouncing, when one is using kung fu, unless, it is an hop incorporated within a given style, eg. a Crane hop, which is different to that of boxing or TKD, and some Kickboxing “hopping” and “bouncing”.
There are certain rooting principles in many TCMA styles, that have to be followed. These are some of the most difficult aspects of TCMAs to master and APPLY…
and I guess that is why many “kung fu-ists” ignore them, or “hop” over them, if you like…
