I’ve sat here and watched a lot of fight videos linked in numerous threads on every sub-forum. In every fight video, all I’ve seen so far is both fighters using either Western Boxing or a combination of Kick Boxing / Western Wrestling. Not a single fight video shows anyone actually using a style of Kung Fu in the fight.
I see there are a lot of kick boxing coaches on this website (pretending to be Kung Fu Masters) who obviously “learned” some Kung Fu from books / dvd’s and set up fake Kung Fu schools with the real intention of training kick boxers for competitions.
Anyone have a fight video in which one of the participants is actually using a style of Kung Fu?
I dont think Kung Fu looks like Boxing or Kickboxing in a boxing ring i think Kung Fu is suposed to look different in real fighting on the street . But what it looks like on the street or in real selfdefense i dont know .
Kung Fu always looks like whichever style of Kung Fu the person is using regardless of whether it’s used in a classroom, a ring, or on the streets. Where someone is using a system of fighting doesn’t change how it looks. Regardless of where they’re using it, all boxers look like they’re using Boxing and all wrestlers look like they’re using Wrestling. Yet none of the people I’ve seen in any fight video on this forum looks like they’re using any style of Kung Fu (because they aren’t) even tho the videos claim they are.
Kung Fu always looks like whichever style of Kung Fu the person is using regardless of whether it’s used in a classroom, a ring, or on the streets. Where someone is using a system of fighting doesn’t change how it looks. Regardless of where they’re using it, all boxers look like they’re using Boxing and all wrestlers look like they’re using Wrestling. Yet none of the people I’ve seen in any fight video on this forum looks like they’re using any style of Kung Fu (because they aren’t) even tho the videos claim they are.[/QUOTE]
It sounds like you studied at some tootie-frootie forms school and never sparred. Fighting looks like fighting.
That´s because you are thinking in forms and movies, techniques in Kung Fu are not shown in the same manner that they are executed in real fight situation, well some actually are, but not the most, and forms, I always say that they are theory, pure theory that are showed in a pure form, and don’t always show the real intention of a technique, that’s because you need to keep that information for yourself, you don’t need other people, wich may fight you, to watch the truth abouth your techniques, kung fu is based on deception. So look good, forms are idealization of a thechnique, and in some casses they don’t show all you need to know, that’s the secret that keep the practitioner.
I've sat here and watched a lot of fight videos linked in numerous threads on every sub-forum. In every fight video, all I've seen so far is both fighters using either Western Boxing or a combination of Kick Boxing / Western Wrestling. Not a single fight video shows anyone actually using a style of Kung Fu in the fight.
I see there are a lot of kick boxing coaches on this website (pretending to be Kung Fu Masters) who obviously "learned" some Kung Fu from books / dvd's and set up fake Kung Fu schools with the real intention of training kick boxers for competitions.
Anyone have a fight video in which one of the participants is actually using a style of Kung Fu?
you must be looking for a shaw brother rehearsed kung fu fight. that’s your problem. you don’t know what to look for in kung fu cause you are most likely NOT a gung fu guy. but a gung fu hater.
you’re blind if you say you’ve watched choy lee fut videos and didn’t see techniques exclusive to choy lee fut.
study some gung fu first before claiming you don’t see anything.
I have often felt the same way that all distinct styles disappear once the gloves go on and all that’s left are the fighters resorting to kickboxing. With that said, the only times I have seen distinct styles visibly being used have pretty much been from Wing Chun and Drunken Boxing. Unfortunately, all the drunken boxers and wing chin fighters I’ve seen in sparring matches have lost because unlike their opponents, they limit themselves by not allowing themselves to adapt to their opponents.
Furthermore, drunken boxing was intended to benefit the practitioner through the disguise of unpredictability. Nowadays everyone and their moms know about drunken boxing, therefore it is anything but unpredictable. Thus, it has lost its only advantage in any fight. By demonstrating the visible unique techniques of a given style misplaces one’s priority on the exposure of the unique style rather than on the survival of the practitioner. Sorry, but I’m not going to pretend to be off balance for the sake of demonstrating the validity of a style when my opponents can see right through it.
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I see there are a lot of kick boxing coaches on this website (pretending to be Kung Fu Masters) who obviously “learned” some Kung Fu from books / dvd’s and set up fake Kung Fu schools with the real intention of training kick boxers for competitions.
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Why would anyone start a fake Kung Fu school with the sole purpose of training kick boxers under a false premise? Why wouldn’t they just start a kick boxing school?
Do you realize how absurd that sounds?
[QUOTE=Kellen Bassette;1278029]Why would anyone start a fake Kung Fu school with the sole purpose of training kick boxers under a false premise? Why wouldn’t they just start a kick boxing school?
Do you realize how absurd that sounds?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kellen Bassette;1278029]Why would anyone start a fake Kung Fu school with the sole purpose of training kick boxers under a false premise? Why wouldn’t they just start a kick boxing school?
Do you realize how absurd that sounds?[/QUOTE]
you got a point there.
It won’t look like a kung fu movie that is for sure but lot of the principles and techniques learned in traditional kung fu can be used in kickboxing type sparring or competing. I have been training at a thaiboixing school for the last few months doing a lot of sparring. Some techniques I use often that come directly from kung fu. first is a move I learned from Bok Mei a long time ago. You start out in a right foot forward fighting stance and drop levels into a short horse stance and fire a mid level right hand strike to your opponent’s stomach. Just used this one last week against one of the new teachers from Thailand. Another technique that seems to work well is a move from the shaolin xiao hong quan form, where you kind of cup deflect the punch then follow through with either a lead or rear punch of your own. I find this works well when the same hand [lead hand] does the deflection block into a jab. Rooting , sticking neutralizing also used often in sparring. But known of these methods or techniques would be recognizable as a distinct kung fu method in sparring.
[QUOTE=KungFuTruth;1278008]I see the Kung Fu Magazine forum only has fake martial artists and forum trolls.[/QUOTE]
How excellent of you to say so, sir! They may laugh at you now, trampling upon your open-minded questions, but in a few years they’ll think back and respect you and be grateful that you held up the mirror of truth and forced them to drinketh deeply of it..
[QUOTE=Wuxia007;1278018]I have often felt the same way that all distinct styles disappear once the gloves go on and all that’s left are the fighters resorting to kickboxing. With that said, the only times I have seen distinct styles visibly being used have pretty much been from Wing Chun and Drunken Boxing. Unfortunately, all the drunken boxers and wing chin fighters I’ve seen in sparring matches have lost because unlike their opponents, they limit themselves by not allowing themselves to adapt to their opponents.
Furthermore, drunken boxing was intended to benefit the practitioner through the disguise of unpredictability. Nowadays everyone and their moms know about drunken boxing, therefore it is anything but unpredictable. Thus, it has lost its only advantage in any fight. By demonstrating the visible unique techniques of a given style misplaces one’s priority on the exposure of the unique style rather than on the survival of the practitioner. Sorry, but I’m not going to pretend to be off balance for the sake of demonstrating the validity of a style when my opponents can see right through it.[/QUOTE]
A lot of what you say bears truth, from a signature prospective. The baseball player fell incorrectly. On a harder surface, he could have risked injury. Drunken falling is an illusion, as are many of the Di Tang techniques used in various Drunken styles. There is a certain way to fall. Drunken style operates under the same physics as any other style of training, correctly executed. The key is not that it is unpredictable. The force vectoring, footwork, and timing are the same as found in other martial training styles. The key to Drunken is illusion. You present something to an opponent that is not really going on. Drunken style sans Di Tang is still Drunken training. I could write a tome on here about the nutation effect, clockwise, counter- clockwise, and reversal of striking surfaces, but will not. Suffice to say, you hit with the entire body and any part of the body at any given moment. It is very up close and personal. As such, it is considered a core level training and falls into the realm of Cotton Needle training because of that. Thanks for your input, Wuxia007. Much appreciated.
(Sorry this posted to the wrong thread. I do not know what happened.)
