[QUOTE=teetsao;1106274]if you all noticed faxiapreata just said he is soe random guy.and by saying his experience and background does not matter,he basically admits he has no background or experience in any art. as usual. case closed.[/QUOTE]
A person’s background is irrelevant to being able to think critically and understand that claims made with no ability to provide evidence are just that… simply claims.
[QUOTE=faxiapreta;1106276]A person’s background is irrelevant to being able to think critically and understanding that claims made with no ability to provide evidence are just that… simply claims.[/QUOTE]
And you just linked a general discussion to “my background” so quickly.
This is what I said.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1106218]Here is the most common TCMA “(Xiao Chan Xi) - wrist lock”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXM3zaBnO4[/QUOTE]
This is the conclusion according to your logic.
[QUOTE=faxiapreta;1106233] based on the above clip, one would have to assume “you” have almost no experience with joint locks.[/QUOTE]
Can you see that why you are not “loved” in this forum? You jump from general discussion to personal attack so quickly that you don’t even realize yourself.
[QUOTE=ginosifu;1106272]The above statement does prove anything. There is no panel of peers studies showing me wrong. Breaking wood with Spacers in between each piece with a fist is different that breaking a piece of concrete with a slap.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but the physics don’t change: Force = mass x acceleration.
Breaking just using weight X Speed is NOT Iron Palm. But you would not know that because you are someone who is just looking from the outside and saying it does not work…
Iron palm still doesn’t change the basic physics.
You keep saying make a clip make a clip … blah blah blah blah. I am almost 50 years old, I have long since retired from the ring. I do not have the time to get back into a decent enough shape to fight competively. Why don’t you go to any local Iron Palm seminar close to you. You’re in Cali right? Shoot up to Sunnyvale and ask Wing Lam Sifu to give you an Iron Palm Demonstartion. Instead of just blasting everyone, ehy don’t you emerse yourself in the art and get a first hand view point… Then after you get your feet wet a bit, then you can blast away at us.
It doesn’t have to be you. You have a chain of schools, right? You’d think out of all of those schools a guy who makes all the claims you do should be able to produce at least one student who could do what you are claiming to be able to do against resisting opponents.
Simply take a few of your students over to an MMA gym for some sparring. The fact that you don’t already do things like that is simply more evidence that you are selling snake oil.
[QUOTE=ginosifu;1106272]You keep saying make a clip make a clip … blah blah blah blah. I am almost 50 years old,…[/QUOTE]
You should not complaint. I’ll receive my medicare card this year. He also wants me to make a clip.
[QUOTE=faxiapreta;1106257]You don’t have to use it on the ground. You can use it standing.
When will you be entering that tourney and posting the clips?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1106277]And you just linked a general discussion to “my background” so quickly.
This is what I said.
This is the conclusion according to your logic.
Can you see that why you are not “loved” in this forum? You jump from general discussion to personal attack so quickly that you don’t even realize yourself.[/QUOTE]
You are claiming experience in joint locks, are you not?
I have made no claims, other than to be able to think critically.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1106279]You should not complaint. I’ll receive my medicare card this year. He also wants me to make a clip.[/QUOTE]
OK, fine. Have your students do it.
[QUOTE=faxiapreta;1106280]You are claiming experience in joint locks, are you not?[/QUOTE]
Please show me when and where did I make that statement.
I have always said that stand up joint lock are easy to learn but hard to apply. Please don’t use my own argument to argue against me.
You may be a “communist”, but I’m a left wing liberal. I’m not a right wing conservative, so please don’t treat me like one.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1106285]Please show me when and where did I make that statement.
I have always said that stand up joint lock are easy to learn but hard to apply. Please don’t use my own argument to argue against me.[/QUOTE]
So you are now saying you don’t have much experience with joint locks?
If that is what you are saying, then maybe I am misinformed as to what you are claiming. If this is the case, I apologize for thinking you had experience in this realm.
However, if you don’t have experience with this, that would explain why you are posting clips of joint locks that don’t work as examples and maybe you should be talking about the effectiveness when you can provide no evidence for it.
I don’t have to prove it to you what I can do and what I can’t do.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1106288]I don’t have to prove it to you what I can do and what I can’t do.[/QUOTE]
Of course you don’t. However, your argument looks pretty stupid when you are claiming something for which you can provide no evidence.
Brothers,
Why are you guys still trying to reason with this POS? Reason is impossible with those whose mind’s are closed and just want someone with which to argue. As stated before, ignore is a wonderful checkmark away. 
If we ignore him, he will soon go away, because he will not be getting the attention he apparently so desperately needs.
BTW, Rodney Morgan also showed the means of throwing and catching a steel-shot filled bag for conditioning and emphasized the need to hit steel-shot hanging bags to train iron palm strikes at various angles.
Near the close of the seminar we worked on two man drills that emphasized iron palm striking techniques delivered to various anatomical structures. I personally worked with two adult Taekwondo black belts much larger than myself that were quite shocked at the effectiveness of light iron palm slaps to the head, back and kidneys. When I tapped them lightly to the area of the skull slightly above and behind the ear, they immediately staggered and said that they were “seeing stars”. Of course, afterwards I allowed them to practice the same strikes on me.
As far as being “snake oil salesmen”, I believe my initial post mentioned that they gave us jow for the training. No purchase was required. BTW, these guys charged $40/person for a seminar that lasted most of the day. The small amount of money they charged could not have possibly covered:
[QUOTE=mooyingmantis;1106294]Brothers,
Why are you guys still trying to reason with this POS? [/QUOTE]
Maybe you missed the memo about personal insults. I guess you’ll be getting it soon enough.
“This message is hidden because faxiapreta is on your ignore list”
See how easy that is guys?
[QUOTE=mooyingmantis;1106294]Brothers,
Why are you guys still trying to reason with this POS? Reason is impossible with those whose mind’s are closed and just want someone with which to argue. [/QUOTE]
Actually, as I stated in my post to Mr. Dugas above, people like me easily change our minds. Simply provide the evidence. As I mentioned to Mr. Dugas, the simplest, quickest and most effective method for changing people’s minds is to spar some MMA competitors at a local MMA facility showing yourself using your “internal, IP” methods.
Of course, no one seems to be able to do that. Apparently, they are all too old nor can they produce any students to do this.
I guess when you can’t provide evidence, you have to resort to name-calling.
BTW, you don’t have to be making much (or any) money to be selling snake oil.
you just admitted people who never did iron palm before could break those slabs at the end of a one day seminar
my opinion is you are fake, you can ignore me too
[QUOTE=faxiapreta;1106298]Actually, as I stated in my post to Mr. Dugas above, people like me easily change our minds. Simply provide the evidence. As I mentioned to Mr. Dugas, the simplest, quickest and most effective method for changing people’s minds is to spar some MMA competitors at a local MMA facility showing yourself using your “internal, IP” methods.
Of course, no one seems to be able to do that. Apparently, they are all too old nor can they produce any students to do this.
I guess when you can’t provide evidence, you have to resort to name-calling.
BTW, you don’t have to be making much (or any) money to be selling snake oil.[/QUOTE]
I will hold you down and make you bleed like Kite Running Afghan boy.
guys like this completely ruin the reputation of kung fu
[QUOTE=bawang;1106299]you just admitted people who never did iron palm before could break those slabs at the end of a one day seminar[/QUOTE]
So, if they could not do it before they came to the seminar, but they could do it after they attended the seminar, doesn’t that mean they were successfully taught something? Which in my mind was probably their reason for attending. :eek:
Breaking one slab without injury shows that:
No guarantee was given that participants would instantly be transformed into iron palm masters.
Did a certain blue belt finally test up to black?
[QUOTE=mooyingmantis;1106309]So, if they could not do it before they came to the seminar, but they could do it after they attended the seminar, doesn’t that mean they were successfully taught something? [/QUOTE]
if after a one day seminar you can break concrete slabs, what are the intense dedicated bag training, meditation and medicinal herbs for???
either iron palm is fake, or the iron lotus guys are fake, doing easy trick breaks.