http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfVhDHlsWCw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCEVMVZ9ofc&NR=1
You seem to be very focused on training for fighting and all out sparring to make your wing chun work. So I’m wondering if you belive someone with these supposed skills would survive in any of the gyms you train at or the ufc?
[QUOTE=MysteriousPower;1006426]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfVhDHlsWCw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCEVMVZ9ofc&NR=1
You seem to be very focused on training for fighting and all out sparring to make your wing chun work. So I’m wondering if you belive someone with these supposed skills would survive in any of the gyms you train at or the ufc?[/QUOTE]
In the iron body video, I see a lack of skill rather than skill. I see sloppy body punching on the part of the students and sloppy martial arts on the part of the instructor. As for the “Iron body,” do 1500 repetitions of abdominal exercised 2-3 days per week for about 6 months along with a bit of medicine ball training and you will perform the same feet. Any professional fighter could do the same thing that the joker in this video is doing only they would have better techniques to use as counter.
The iron palm video is a fraud, like all iron palm videos. The fact that we can here the brick snap when it was hit simply means that it was placed on an uneven surface to create a space for the brick to break. Also, the brick obviously moves down when broken, indicating that he set the brick over a space.
[QUOTE=MysteriousPower;1006426]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfVhDHlsWCw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCEVMVZ9ofc&NR=1
You seem to be very focused on training for fighting and all out sparring to make your wing chun work. So I’m wondering if you belive someone with these supposed skills would survive in any of the gyms you train at or the ufc?[/QUOTE]
That is all bullsh1t. You can find videos of guys who take full power shots to the neck or groin IN DEMO – but you never will find them willing to do it in fighting.
There is a very simple bullsh1t detector: quality realistic sparring. If you don’t see it done in quality realistic sparring, then don’t believe it. If someone says they can do something ask to see it in quality realistic sparring. If they won’t - or can’t do it - you know.
[QUOTE=MysteriousPower;1006426]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfVhDHlsWCw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCEVMVZ9ofc&NR=1
You seem to be very focused on training for fighting and all out sparring to make your wing chun work. So I’m wondering if you belive someone with these supposed skills would survive in any of the gyms you train at or the ufc?[/QUOTE]
This is the second time you have brought up Dale Dugas, the first was in the Bagua VS MT thread.
You seem to have an aggenda?
May I suggest that if you wanna know if Dale is legit, you go visit him?
I know for a fact that his door is always open.
You can then tell us, first hand, how it went 
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;1006429]In the iron body video, I see a lack of skill rather than skill. I see sloppy body punching on the part of the students and sloppy martial arts on the part of the instructor. As for the “Iron body,” do 1500 repetitions of abdominal exercised 2-3 days per week for about 6 months along with a bit of medicine ball training and you will perform the same feet. Any professional fighter could do the same thing that the joker in this video is doing only they would have better techniques to use as counter.
The iron palm video is a fraud, like all iron palm videos. The fact that we can here the brick snap when it was hit simply means that it was placed on an uneven surface to create a space for the brick to break. Also, the brick obviously moves down when broken, indicating that he set the brick over a space.[/QUOTE]
Please feel free to visit Dale and find out, first hand, how fraudulent his IP is.
Lets us all know after it is done.
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;1006429]The iron palm video is a fraud, like all iron palm videos. The fact that we can here the brick snap when it was hit simply means that it was placed on an uneven surface to create a space for the brick to break. Also, the brick obviously moves down when broken, indicating that he set the brick over a space.[/QUOTE]
Then explain this link ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy7IkL44Yrc&NR=1
[QUOTE=Iron-Man;1006449]Then explain this link ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy7IkL44Yrc&NR=1[/QUOTE]
People can break all kinds of things. These are TRICKS or performances that have no relevance to fighting SKILL. All they do is confuse the gullible.
These things, like many demos, capture the IMAGINATION of people who don’t know better, and they then believe that if they can break a brick or do a 1-inch punch or whatever, that this ability will translate into fighting. But it doesn’t.
As I said, IF YOU DON"T SEE IT IN QUALITY REALISTIC FIGHTING THEN IT IS BS.
[QUOTE=Iron-Man;1006449]Then explain this link ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy7IkL44Yrc&NR=1[/QUOTE]
Looks like more of the same. A small fulcrum such as a pebble placed under the brick hence the loud noise. Those red bricks are usually pretty hard. The best thing to do with them is to bake the moisture out of them to make them brittle. Although, it really depends on the brand and the unique make-up of the brick.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;1006456]People can break all kinds of things. These are TRICKS or performances that have no relevance to fighting SKILL. All they do is confuse the gullible.
These things, like many demos, capture the IMAGINATION of people who don’t know better, and they then believe that if they can break a brick or do a 1-inch punch or whatever, that this ability will translate into fighting. But it doesn’t.
As I said, IF YOU DON"T SEE IT IN QUALITY REALISTIC FIGHTING THEN IT IS BS.[/QUOTE]
I agree, it has very little to do with fighting skill, just like deadlifting 400lbs has nothing to do with fighting skill, or suplexing a 175lbs throwing dummy like it was a pillow, means nothing either.
Of course, couple that WITH fighting skill and that is another matter.
[QUOTE=MysteriousPower;1006426]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfVhDHlsWCw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCEVMVZ9ofc&NR=1
You seem to be very focused on training for fighting and all out sparring to make your wing chun work. So I’m wondering if you belive someone with these supposed skills would survive in any of the gyms you train at or the ufc?[/QUOTE]
Those things have nothing to do with actually fighting. It is always interesting how the people who do “iron this” and “iron that” never have actual full-contact clips of themselves using their “iron” stuff for real, but always have plenty of demos.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1006462]I agree, it has very little to do with fighting skill, just like deadlifting 400lbs has nothing to do with fighting skill, or suplexing a 175lbs throwing dummy like it was a pillow, means nothing either.
Of course, couple that WITH fighting skill and that is another matter.[/QUOTE]
That’s not the same thing.
Those sorts of things are BS, they’re distractions that only get in the way.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1006462]I agree, it has very little to do with fighting skill, just like deadlifting 400lbs has nothing to do with fighting skill, or suplexing a 175lbs throwing dummy like it was a pillow, means nothing either.
Of course, couple that WITH fighting skill and that is another matter.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, they never couple it with actual fighting with another skilled opponent their own size.
The fact is, iron body is sort of like much of WC… works ok against smaller, not-so-skilled guys. However, it usually starts to fall apart when you try it out in full contact situations against guys your own size.
The best type of iron body training you can do is full contact sparring and competing.
As far as breaking, it is usually bullsh3hit and all for show. Notice how you never see anyone actually breaking something that is designed to withstand force, such as the concrete wall outside the place where they are doing the breaking demos.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1006464]Those things have nothing to do with actually fighting. It is always interesting how the people who do “iron this” and “iron that” never have actual full-contact clips of themselves using their “iron” stuff for real, but always have plenty of demos.[/QUOTE]
I don’t know if i’d want to see guys with iron crotches in clips with “full-contact” 
When threads like this pop up and I see posters who seem completely reasonable turn into chi ball throwing nutcases, it forces me to rethink some of what I thought about Dale and T just mindlessly droning on about sparring and conditioning.
How I feel about Dale or anyone has no bearing here. You seem to be friends with him which is why you got defensive. Big I put up some shaolin monk doing the same you wouldve shot it down with everyone else. None of this changes the fact that these “powers” can’t actually be utilized in combat. Especially not in sparring. These guys NEVER allow shots to the face during these demonstrations. One canny claim to have fighting ability and only post videos such as these.
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;1006429]In the iron body video,
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;1006457]Looks like more of the same. A small fulcrum such as a pebble placed under the brick hence the loud noise. Those red bricks are usually pretty hard. The best thing to do with them is to bake the moisture out of them to make them brittle. Although, it really depends on the brand and the unique make-up of the brick.[/QUOTE]
Maybe you should try slapping something hard in silence ? Have your ever heard of sound waves ? So you saw a pebble placed down each time did you ? pretty hard to balance a pepple on the smaller pieces would you not think ? Also i wouldn’t break anything over a pebble incase it injured my wrist. I suggest you base your comments on facts rather than trying to sound intelligent to cover personal ignorance !
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1006467]Unfortunately, they never couple it with actual fighting with another skilled opponent their own size.
The fact is, iron body is sort of like much of WC… works ok against smaller, not-so-skilled guys. However, it usually starts to fall apart when you try it out in full contact situations against guys your own size.
The best type of iron body training you can do is full contact sparring and competing.
As far as breaking, it is usually bullsh3hit and all for show. Notice how you never see anyone actually breaking something that is designed to withstand force, such as the concrete wall outside the place where they are doing the breaking demos.[/QUOTE]
Here is the thing, I agree, but only to an extent.
I agree that more people should, indeed MUST, couple their specialised “kungs” with fighting, but the thing is, that is how it is SUPPOSED to be done anyways !
The fact that many don’t doesn’t downplay whether these methods are effective.
Iron body is SUPPOSED to be done in a fighting environment, it goes from"static" IB to dynamic ( use din fighting) so that you don’t suffer from what many guys call “stage dependency” in which the IB only works in that way ( many sanchin guys suffer of that also).
As for your view on IP, you stated that one before and I disagree with your analogy.
[QUOTE=MysteriousPower;1006479]How I feel about Dale or anyone has no bearing here. You seem to be friends with him which is why you got defensive. Big I put up some shaolin monk doing the same you wouldve shot it down with everyone else. None of this changes the fact that these “powers” can’t actually be utilized in combat. Especially not in sparring. These guys NEVER allow shots to the face during these demonstrations. One canny claim to have fighting ability and only post videos such as these.[/QUOTE]
Yes I am friends with Dale, the fact that you brought him up in another thread shows that you have an agenda.
Allowing shots to the face is irrelevant since IV and IB training doesn’t cover that.
You have an agenda and I would like to know what it is, I am asking NOW as a posters and I suggest you answer before I ask as a Moderator.
I have seen many fake IB and IP and I have seen the real one, Dale is open to anyone coming by and testing him in a nice way or bad, your choice.
The proof is in the pudding, so go get some pudding.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;1006465]That’s not the same thing.
Those sorts of things are BS, they’re distractions that only get in the way.[/QUOTE]
I agree to a point, I have seen too many Ip guys neglect their fighting because they think they have a “secret weapon” so yes, I can see it being a distraction.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1006487]Yes I am friends with Dale, the fact that you brought him up in another thread shows that you have an agenda.
Allowing shots to the face is irrelevant since IV and IB training doesn’t cover that.
You have an agenda and I would like to know what it is, I am asking NOW as a posters and I suggest you answer before I ask as a Moderator.
I have seen many fake IB and IP and I have seen the real one, Dale is open to anyone coming by and testing him in a nice way or bad, your choice.
The proof is in the pudding, so go get some pudding.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever seen him fight full contact against someone who is halfway skilled and the same size as him?