Fujian white crane fused with emei snake hybrid

Again,

I accept however whatever you like to think based on you logic. Because that is your way of viewing the world.

I am not interested and not expect you to be anything else other then you.
Nor I interested in you view.
Thus,
This would be the last time I reply to you.

[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1012369]Nice try, but I’m only repying to words YOU used. If I have it wrong, then what did you mean when you said

“But no one believe it is so closed. thus, no one train in it, thus there is no kungfu. Some rather use CLF or hung gar iron shirt or…etc and thinking that is more powerful, they dont understand the weakest is exactly the strongest. It is counter intuitive…”

and

“..I would like to take this opportunity to tell those Yik Kam’s decendent in SEA, it is counter intuitive. thus, that is the beauty — within the Yin, Yang is there. CLF, Hung Gar, Southern Shaolin…etc cant get one there because it is a different type of technology.”

Sounds like you are saying only Yik Kam knows the way to the top of the mountain… To me, this sounds very much like an agenda. And quite insulting too.[/QUOTE]

Hendrik, thank you for the explanations

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1012348]What you see here is the result. It is not a technology. .[/QUOTE]

So what’s the components and path in your technology?

What does it feel like when one dissolve’s one’s own force vector?

So the 4 cycle in the closing salutation of the Yik kam’s SLT set are Huen, Kaam, Tiu, Taap?

Are these 4 cycles also at the end of Ku Choi Wah, Y Wu, and Cheong Wai Por SLT sets?

What are the technics of manipulation that you use to get into resonance state or orbiting state?

Is Horizontal power present when initiating juen ma from the kua?

So what’s the components and path in your technology?

there is nothing fix.

What does it feel like when one dissolve’s one’s own force vector?

Let go and let God. silence.
this is the silence of the body; non reactive.

So the 4 cycle in the closing salutation of the Yik kam’s SLT set are Huen, Kaam, Tiu, Taap?

This is a part of it.
and not everyone do it in a WCK way. even within the Cho family art, today, Some does it in a CLF way…etc. Thus, that become a CLF.

so, even if one learn the shape one will not be able to pin point it if one dont get into the force vectors and above level. one needs to probe into the power generation realm and not stuck at the shape or physical level, there one sees different signatures.

For those who read energy signature, Emei + White crane = SLT is clear and solid. Certainly, those who knows only physical find all the physical form is the same.

IE: YJKYM + Tan SAu in SLT, YJKYM +Tan Sau in Hung gar iron wire, are they the same?
sure physically appearance.

Energy signature? NOPE. totally different pattern types.

SLT has no block but boomerang and retrograte snow balling , SLT’s YJKYM + Tan sau is operate like a retrograde sickle with its resonance power generator and retrograding support structure.

As for Hung gar? their characteristics is in the 12 Kiu sau…etc. check it out.

one is sickling all the way, one is kiu sau all the way.
and see for yourself.

Are these 4 cycles also at the end of Ku Choi Wah, Y Wu, and Cheong Wai Por SLT sets?

I Let them answer it themselve.

What are the technics of manipulation that you use to get into resonance state or orbiting state?

One doesnt need technics to get into resonance. because Let Go Let God is what it needed. But then different people has different things one cant let go. Thus, different technics are needed to get one there and after that one no longer needs it when one has truely letting go. otherwise it becomes a burden. That is where one needs a sifu who knows how to lead one.

For example, singing. to learn how to sing one just sing, but then only when one doesnt know or need to improve the use of lower abs one brought the issue up. Otherwise, brought up the issue of lower abs only cause problem to those who has naturally use lower abs.

Is Horizontal power present when initiating juen ma from the kua?

At every instant and every physical posture there is horizontal power otherwise the movement will go extreme and imbalance. (it cant retrograde or resonance but short gun burst to single direction type. ) it is just what is the amount of the horizontal force within the total force vectors.

Kua is just a part of the elements paying too much attention, thinking that is the core of universe is actually a kiss of death. Those are begining stuffs. the ultimate is the intention move the force vectors move, the physical body doesnt even have much visible movement…etc.

Thus it says,

Silence as the quite autum’s moon, active similar to tronado, gently subdue the opponent, it is a matter within inches of movement handling. (it is the force vectors one playing with instead of physical move.)

Light as feather, heavy as the mountain, within the application there is no physical visibility, application and body is non dual.

if Your mind is stuck at physical posture. That needs to transcent a level up to the force vectors level otherwise you will no be able to understand what is going on.

in this modern era,
most people doing it via the way of collecting DVD or youtube or seminal or learning some sets…etc.

just my experience, at one point i am practicing a certain basic internal stuffs, I took me five years and atleast 1.5hours nonstop everyday to just have a grasp on the very basic handling. That is how long it could takes sometime.

Well, IMHO, that doesnt work for advance stuffs which is not up for speculation.
One needs to Baisi with a good teacher and it is a life long journey.

Hendrick, are you saying,“join,” or “joint?”
what is a retrograde sickle?

“Some call it a slingblade, I call it a Kaiser blade…”

how can you speak on the iron wire form when you don’t know it?
How can you speak on 12 bridges when you don’t know what they mean?
Books? Articles? Youtube?

You cannot know the taste of food simply by reading a cookbook.

Hendrick, are you saying,“join,” or “joint?”
what is a retrograde sickle?

Joint.

Sickle in retrograde motion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle

it retrograde so it cuts both side in a retrograde motion.

As it says, WCK using Oi-lim sau ad Noi-lim Sau as sickle that cut both side moving forward of retrograde backward.

how can you speak on the iron wire form when you don’t know it?

I dont practice Iron wire;

but anyone who is advance enough in the internal art training can read its energy signature from :

1, the others practitioners training,
2, its classical writing, and or
3, testing out its operation according to its classical writing using one’s own body, mind, breathing as a emulator or simulator tool to gain insigh; to know what it cultivate an how it is applied.

One of the uniqueness characteristics of SLT which it inherit from its mother art the Emei 12 Zhuang is

Training diligently focus in the details, use this details as the tool for in depth, the key of all thousand phenomenons source from details.

Train in SLT is suppose to have details penetration ability . One needs to be able to emulate and read what one faces. That is the beauty of practice SLT. Thus, it is called the core of detail training = SLT. Thus, the SLT practitioner will develop details penetration as a second nature.

In addition, I have plenty of Hung gar brothers who I could ask for advise, Like GM Robert Chu

Not to mention,
my late sifu Cho Hong-Choy who knows both WCK and iron wire.

And he told me at point blank ---- going Iron wire is the wrong path; when a Hung gar master who is a student of my late sifu trying to evolve his SLT set with Hung gar/Iron Wire element.

How can you speak on 12 bridges when you don’t know what they mean?
Books? Articles? Youtube?

Go ahead test drive both SLT and Iron wire,

Investigate
them from different angles,
via body motion type, breathing method, mind set, and force vector generation.

see for yourself what is what. Let your body, mind, breathing, vector force tell the story.

It is nothing about good or bad, superior or inferior, it is all about knowing what one is practicing and getting the result from the practice.

You cannot know the taste of food simply by reading a cookbook.

That is forsure. I am totally 100% agree with you.

and
one doesnt have to be a cook to taste food.

it is even more simple to go to the best cook; ask him to tell one what is the different between the chinese noddle and the italian spegeti, just relax and listen and learn, instead of getting 1000000 junior training cook to argue everything and wasting time, they dont know anyway.

Hendrik,
How exactly would you discribe what the horizontal force is within the total force vectors?

Was the 4 key excercises that you taught Jim Roselando to open the snake technology the Huen, Kaam, Tiu, Taap?

How exactly would you discribe what the horizontal force is within the total force vectors?

all motion has different force vectors components.

Was the 4 key excercises that you taught Jim Roselando to open the snake technology the Huen, Kaam, Tiu, Taap?

Jim flies from Boston to see me sincerely with Faith. and after that comes almost every year. He doesnt have to pay a cent and I know he could grow the art. It is not very thing for a buck deal. We dont sell art. We passed art to next generation.

Thus,

As the Western tradition,
It is not professional to tell you what I teach Jim.

As the oriental tradition,
It is also it is our privacy on what I teach him or transmitting to him. I leave it up to him to reveal what he has learn.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1012484]all motion has different force vectors components./QUOTE]

So in essence the 6 directional force vectors include the horizontal as well as the vertical like a sphere?

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1012484]It is not professional to tell you what I teach Jim.

As the oriental tradition, It is also it is our privacy on what I teach him or transmitting to him. I leave it up to him to reveal what he has learn.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough, perhaps you can share a little more details on the 4 cycle of Huen, Kaam, Tiu, Taap, in regards to their relationship to your snake technology?

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1012484]It is not professional to tell you what I teach Jim.

As the oriental tradition, It is also it is our privacy on what I teach him or transmitting to him. I leave it up to him to reveal what he has learn.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough, perhaps you can share a little more details on the 4 cycle and their relationship to your snake technology?

So in essence the 6 directional force vectors include the horizontal as well as the vertical like a sphere?

correct.

Thus, even the posture must not be in a "broken arrow " state. It is called broken arrow because it is similar to a imbalance shoot out arrow which is strong in a particular direction but weak in all other direction. That makes the art very unstable and full of weakness.

, perhaps you can share a little more details on the 4 cycle of Huen, Kaam, Tiu, Taap, in regards to their relationship to your snake technology?

In the most simplistic view, it is just circle within circle within circle, or it is just sphere within sphere within sphere. or tiny gear within smaller gear within larger gear with life in every level of gear. and ofcause there are medirians stuffs involve as in

http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=993125&postcount=38

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1012498]In the most simplistic view, it is just circle within circle within circle, or it is just sphere within sphere within sphere. or tiny gear within smaller gear within larger gear with life in every level of gear. and ofcause there are medirians stuffs involve as in [/QUOTE]

Thanks Hendrik, this is an excellent explanation! It’s nice to see you’re opening up with more detailed explanations. It atleast gives people a chance to understand your point of view, even if they are not able to do it at their level yet. I find It very refreshing!

I am curious, why did you came up with the name snake technology for the wing chun wholesome power?

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1012460]One of the uniqueness characteristics of SLT which it inherit from its mother art the Emei 12 Zhuang is

Training diligently focus in the details, use this details as the tool for in depth, the key of all thousand phenomenons source from details.

Train in SLT is suppose to have details penetration ability . One needs to be able to emulate and read what one faces. That is the beauty of practice SLT. Thus, it is called the core of detail training = SLT. Thus, the SLT practitioner will develop details penetration as a second nature.[/QUOTE]

As much as this interests me Hendrik, and thanks for sharing the other lines too, I still really do not understand where the Emei 12 Zhuang originates, can you clear this up for me? What is Emei in Cantonese?

And what makes you think this is the origin of SLT?

Spencer, in Cantonese it is “Ngor Mei” (or Or-Mei in modern “lazy sounds”).

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That’s what I thought (kind of!)

Any relation to Bak Mei??!

[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1012578]Thanks Hendrik, this is an excellent explanation! It’s nice to see you’re opening up with more detailed explanations. It atleast gives people a chance to understand your point of view, even if they are not able to do it at their level yet. I find It very refreshing!

I am curious, why did you came up with the name snake technology for the wing chun wholesome power?[/QUOTE]

You are welcome. I just has to take time for one to understand what I am presenting because there are layers and layers of information and one needs to pear through them.

According to the WCK ancestor, WCK is a fusion of “Crane and Snake”. We know the crane is from Fujian White Crane, and we now know the snake is from Emei. So, i just follow what the ancestors said, called the part of technology as it is.

[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1012588]As much as this interests me Hendrik, and thanks for sharing the other lines too, I still really do not understand where the Emei 12 Zhuang originates, can you clear this up for me? What is Emei in Cantonese?

And what makes you think this is the origin of SLT?[/QUOTE]

This subject has been posted in this forum for past decade. Please use the search engine to search.

[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1012613]That’s what I thought (kind of!)

Any relation to Bak Mei??![/QUOTE]Not as far as I’m aware. Emei is a regional (even mountain specific maybe) grouping. Bak Mei is attributed to one person (BM himself), but I think he as as elusive as Ng Mui herself.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1012615]This subject has been posted in this forum for past decade. Please use the search engine to search.[/QUOTE]

I tried to trawl through all the references but was hoping you may be able to give me a summary or recommend which post to read!! There are too many!! :frowning:

[QUOTE=CFT;1012615]Emei is a regional (even mountain specific maybe) grouping. Bak Mei is attributed to one person (BM himself), but I think he as as elusive as Ng Mui herself.[/QUOTE]

I agree. It all sounds a bit eccentric to be honest, but I love research (as Hendrik knows) and as this subject came up again I thought I would ask for more clarification.

Snake and Crane have definitely influenced Wing Chun, but how much and by whom? I don’t think anyone can say…

[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1012660]I tried to trawl through all the references but was hoping you may be able to give me a summary or recommend which post to read!! There are too many!! :frowning:

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I have go through it so many time that I am tired of doing it. Sorry.

Quote:
Hendrick, are you saying,“join,” or “joint?”
what is a retrograde sickle?

Joint.

okay, got it. (now I have to read the entire thing again..(sigh)

Sickle in retrograde motion.

ah, ok. I thought you were trying to say cyclical

how can you speak on the iron wire form when you don’t know it?

I dont practice Iron wire;
Exactly

but anyone who is advance enough in the internal art training can read its energy signature from :

1, the others practitioners training,
2, its classical writing, and or
3, testing out its operation according to its classical writing using one’s own body, mind, breathing as a emulator or simulator tool to gain insigh; to know what it cultivate an how it is applied.

[B]Not true. You cannot get anything by watching, or reading, or testing something you have not experienced first hand.
All the writings on the wire form are simply a vain attempt to put into words the qualities of energies. At best, it’s only a guideline for beginners.

These qualities are only learned through direct transmission, hands-on from teacher to student.
[/B]

in addition, I have plenty of Hung gar brothers who I could ask for advise, Like GM Robert Chu

Not to mention,
my late sifu Cho Hong-Choy who knows both WCK and iron wire.

And he told me at point blank ---- going Iron wire is the wrong path; when a Hung gar master who is a student of my late sifu trying to evolve his SLT set with Hung gar/Iron Wire element.

[B]If you are referring to the dynamic tension aspects of the iron wire set, then I wholeheartedly agree with you there. That would be the completely wrong path.

I think many people do not realize that there are many layers to the practice of the Wire form, and it can be practiced on many levels. To do it simply as a dynamic tension set, and think you will understand it, is pure folly.

Ever wonder why there are so many books out on Tai-Chi? Because there are so many levels to understanding this art, and each person’s experience is different.
As it stands now, there are only a few writings on Tiet Sien Kuen. The more people practice it, the more writings there will be..and the more dissagreements!LOL
Alas, the problem is that there are too many chiefs and not enough braves in Hung-Ga. Myself included. Way too many people out there claiming to be Sifus, where all they have is the skin and hair. Unfortunately, these are the guys who write the articles…[/B]