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Siu Lim Tau
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Chum Kiu
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BilGee
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Wooden Dummy
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Virtual Dummy & Siu Lim Tau
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Twin Knives
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Part of the Sticky Hand styles
A great insight into the Snake & Crane Wing Chun methods, so thanks for sharing!! 
Thank you for posting. I look forward to viewing the videos.
thanks for the clips!
The 3 empty hand forms of this linage looks very close to yuen kay san wc, but the sequence of the dummy form looks identical to yip man’s dummy form.
Is there a possibility of cross Pollination?
Snake Crane Wing Chun – Chum Kiu
[SIZE=“4”]8. Snake Crane Wing Chun – Chum Kiu[/SIZE]
Wayne,
Thanks.
I heard some reciting from one of your SLT demo utube clip.
Is that the kuen kuit of your SLT?
how close or far is your snake reel and crane withstand compare with what I present in my utube?
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1154005]Wayne,
Thanks.
I heard some reciting from one of your SLT demo utube clip.
Is that the kuen kuit of your SLT?
how close or far is your snake reel and crane withstand compare with what I present in my utube?[/QUOTE]
This is the first time we post our videos to the facebook, not Utube. We hadn’t seen your utube of SLT and we don’t know any what you described about our SLT demo.
We do have a six-statements poem come with our SLT called 'Lim Tau Song '. It describes the whole set of our SLT, very rhyming, and tells how the Snake Crane Wing Chun come from, related to the the Southern Shaolin traitor.
White crane plays around with water, and the snake returns the hole.
Flying snake rotates the head in nine ways to represent the palm techniques
Snake and crane show off their best techniques and strength.
Crane feet step three times and the crane’s wing flips in four ways.
White crane folds the wings and flies to the sky.
Snake Crane Wing Chun is able to overcome the traitor(MaNinYee) of the Southern Shaolin
It is just a poem, not kuen kuit. WE do have a lot of poems relating to the what you said ‘kuen kuit’, written in Qing Dynasty, not the common language we use today. Also, we are still using some ancient terms in this tirbutary. I am sure if you can pay some time to read all the articles in the thread ‘The Snake Crane Wing Chun of Law Tiu Wen’ with the post [About Snake Crane Wing Chun ], and also the relationship with Guang Zhou Wing Chun ( YKS lineage) in this forum, you will know more about Snake Crane Wing Chun. It is also clear that What their SLT,CK & BG and our SLT,CK,BG look like today and can be traced back to Qing Dynasty (150 years ago) how they look like.
Do you think Snake would fight with Crane ?
Dp you think a country girl would create, till today, the advanced fighting techniques, just by observing snake fighting with crane ? How long does need she observe?
In Wing Chun, can you find any techniques with the images relating to the fighting between snake and crane ?
MOst lineages agree with the ‘’ . What it means that the Snake and the crane show off their best techniques.
Is Wing Chun internal style kung fu or external style kung fu? Today, most practitioners play it very hard without any softness, force against force, deviated a lot from the original style.
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If you would like to know more about this very low profile and hidden tributary in the last 150 years, and now is re-open in public, please read.
[SIZE=“3”]The Snake Crane Wing Chun of Law Tiu Wen[/SIZE]
http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58474
Most traditional forms of Snake Crane Wing Chun(SCWC) retaining a lot of imitations of Snake and Crane form. Snake movements are on softness, while Crane movements are on hardness. ‘Softness’, ‘Following’, ‘Imperturbability’ and ‘Convergence’ are the four keys to SCWC.
All the forms in SCWC are hardware and need software to drive.
Wayne,
Thanks and appreciate!
Excellent to know your lineage !
This is the clip on I refer to above.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj5OElGZCgU
This is my slt clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th3g1C4jbd8
Just for your information to compare note.
This is the kuit for jkym.
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This is a partial kuen kuit for the first sections of yik kam slt.
. Left hand whip out lateral Jin.
. Place the awareness in finger, craw, around the sleeve .
spinning retrograde natural ly Accord to the medirians flow.
The following is partial for second section.
the back of palm facing outward with a full Shen / awareness and yee / intention
flip the palm pulling reel guarding the heart
suck and split releasing unstopable strength .
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The emei Kuen kuit for reference:
White Crane Kuen Kuit for reference:
(Facing Sun)
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From our kuit, we can trace our kuit poem to white crane of fujian and emei 12 zhuang specifically. Thus, we know where the or technics are source from.
[QUOTE=ccwayne;1154076]Most traditional forms of Snake Crane Wing Chun(SCWC) retaining a lot of imitations of Snake and Crane form. Snake movements are on softness, while Crane movements are on hardness. ‘Softness’, ‘Following’, ‘Imperturbability’ and ‘Convergence’ are the four keys to SCWC.
All the forms in SCWC are hardware and need software to drive.[/QUOTE]
Thanks!
Please take a look at my clip above for note comparing between lineages.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1154081]Wayne,
Thanks and appreciate!
This is the clip I refer to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj5OElGZCgU
This is my slt clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th3g1C4jbd8
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Playing SLT in the the video is the student of my sidai Mok Wai Keung, learning the arts since 2005 and he is the first one of us to bring the Snake Crane Wing Chun back to the martial arts community. As you observe, some of the techniques () is missing. You may compare with our SLT above. We do not have any kuit poem like yours in SLT, but as I learned SLT in 1978, my sifu taught me verbally every part of it, how importance on each part, and how to play it. The simply key term in SCWC is () (snake on sticking and crane with power).
In your video, what you described in your 1st section and 2nd section are on the techniques you use. However, ours is based on the principle of SCWC to play SLT.
Softness is the first thing we need to train, and it is also the most difficult part for the newbie to start. We have similar 1st part, realting to the snake motion, and 2nd part, relating to the snake and crane motion. In our 2nd part, it is the most important part in SCWC, relating to the 'Chi ’ concept. Most practitioners they don’t realise that WC is an internal style kung fu, and need the correct way to go. They just play very hard, and put the WC into the external style kung fu. In one statement of our kuit poems, it describes that ‘’ is that meaning.
How long can you play your SLT ? I did my SLT in 1979 in 23 minutes. The video above just show part of the traditional SCWC sticky hand styles. Don’t compare with the one you listed to me.
Hendrik, I think you come from Malaysia because the lineage of Yip Kam, also from redboat, is from Malaysia. I think Yip Kam’s lineage is formed after the collapse of the Tai Ping Heavenly Kingdom, about 150 years. I was also surprised why ’ ()’ will follow ‘Yip Chun’ and leaving ‘Yip Kam’ lineage. It may be the reputation of Yip Man, father of YipChun.
More would like to say, but cannot be openly. Hope you understand.
[QUOTE=ccwayne;1154072] I am sure if you can pay some time to read all the articles in the thread ‘The Snake Crane Wing Chun of Law Tiu Wen’ with the post [About Snake Crane Wing Chun ], and also the relationship with Guang Zhou Wing Chun ( YKS lineage) in this forum, you will know more about Snake Crane Wing Chun. It is also clear that What their SLT,CK & BG and our SLT,CK,BG look like today and can be traced back to Qing Dynasty (150 years ago) how they look like.[/QUOTE]
Hi Wayne,
The 3 empty hand forms of this linage looks very close to yuen kay san wc, but the sequence of the dummy form looks identical to yip man’s dummy form.
Is there a possibility of cross Pollination?
[QUOTE=ccwayne;1154097]
How long can you play your SLT ? I did my SLT in 1979 in 23 minutes. The video above just show part of the traditional SCWC sticky hand styles. Don’t compare with the one you listed to me.
Hendrik, I think you come from Malaysia because the lineage of Yip Kam, also from redboat, is from Malaysia. I think Yip Kam’s lineage is formed after the collapse of the Tai Ping Heavenly Kingdom, about 150 years.
I was also surprised why ’ ()’ will follow ‘Yip Chun’ and leaving ‘Yip Kam’ lineage. It may be the reputation of Yip Man, father of YipChun.
More would like to say, but cannot be openly. Hope you understand.[/QUOTE]
Wayne,
Thanks for your generous sharing!
As for how long play slt. That depend on what one try to develop. For beginner take longer , after the qi is develop , it depends on how long is one breathcycle. Usually, for begining indoor student, one needs to stand in parallel stance for Atleast 20 mins before starts the movement. If the body doesn’t loose, there is no point to practice slt.
the requirement is to develop this grow qi in dan tien before start slt. so 20 mins a day min for three months to get some minor feeling. without this evelopment slt is external.
Yes, yik kam is taiping uprising associated the group support the Hung Mun of lee Man Mau and Taiping. This is our code.
I am from the USA. I am fifth generation descendent after yik kam.
In my opinion, today, the so called traditional Malaysian’s wing Chun brought from Red boat era , has evolved toward old hung kuen direction compare with my late sifu’s era 40 years ago.
the art is evolve away from these wing chun “taste”
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and become a different art. Which is doing Lin sil dai da but different then the above
Seal off.
is from Yip Kin WCK lineage instead of Yik Kam WCK lineage.
Yip Kin lineage has a connection via Yip Kin himself to Cho family WCK elderly but it is not a direct Yik Kam lineage.
There was story that Yip Kin has met Yik Kam himself. but the era seems to not balance out. but the story he met the Cho family WCK elderly seems solid.
the following is Yip Kin WCK set
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io-FpR__IIo
they dont have SLT CK BJ. the above set is their core set.
We all are descendent from the Red boat actors.
Wayne,
just for your information on internal kung,
the following are specific kung , for develop different details in our long set SLT.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1154103]In my opinion, today, the so called traditional Malaysian’s wing Chun brought from Red boat era , has evolved toward old hung kuen direction compare with my late sifu’s era 40 years ago.
the art is evolve away from these wing chun “taste”
and become a different art. Which is doing Lin sil dai da but different then the above Seal off..[/QUOTE]
Another thought, IMO, it could be more likely that it is your Yik Kam WC which has evolved (devolved?) away since there are very few in the WC world that talk this much animal kung fu nonsense in thier WCK like you do.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1154103]We all are descendent from the Red boat actors.[/QUOTE]
No, we are not all from red boat actors 
So, you are totally wrong in your assumptions. Better not to speak for everyone and just what you know.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1154103]Wayne,
Thanks for your generous sharing!
As for how long play slt. That depend on what one try to develop. For beginner take longer , after the qi is develop , it depends on how long is one breathcycle. Usually, for begining indoor student, one needs to stand in parallel stance for Atleast 20 mins before starts the movement. If the body doesn’t loose, there is no point to practice slt.
the requirement is to develop this grow qi in dan tien before start slt. so 20 mins a day min for three months to get some minor feeling. without this evelopment slt is external.
Yes, yik kam is taiping uprising associated the group support the Hung Mun of lee Man Mau and Taiping. This is our code.
I am from the USA. I am fifth generation descendent after yik kam.
In my opinion, today, the so called traditional Malaysian’s wing Chun brought from Red boat era , has evolved toward old hung kuen direction compare with my late sifu’s era 40 years ago.
the art is evolve away from these wing chun “taste”
,
,
, ,
and become a different art. Which is doing Lin sil dai da but different then the above
Seal off.
is from Yip Kin WCK lineage instead of Yik Kam WCK lineage.
Yip Kin lineage has a connection via Yip Kin himself to Cho family WCK elderly but it is not a direct Yik Kam lineage.
There was story that Yip Kin has met Yik Kam himself. but the era seems to not balance out. but the story he met the Cho family WCK elderly seems solid.
the following is Yip Kin WCK set
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io-FpR__IIo
they dont have SLT CK BJ. the above set is their core set.
We all are descendent from the Red boat actors.[/QUOTE]
We have in the like your , of course there are some tricks in this stance. When you are doing the for a certain period, you will get the motion driven by the’ ', lateron, will be on your wrist, eventually,it will be driven by the ‘’. nothing you will feel on your hands at this stage. YOu are right, as you feel the ‘’ , you will no longer need to practise SLT any more.
We have some sets of the wooden dummy. It is one of them, and this set(118 techniques) is on the training on the co-ordination of the hands and stance movement. You can see we don’t play the dummy hardly, based on the deflection and with the snake and crane styles there. Other sets are more vigorous on hands and kicks, and will not show off. Just like our () recently.
As I followed my sifu , I need to submit one red paper to indicate I am willing to follow learning the skill, and one yellow paper to tell the ancestors of this lineage. The red one was kept by my master, and the yellow one was burnt for the ancestors to let them know. something like Besides the ancestor woods, there is a picture with a big word ‘’ (budda), it should be something related to the budda. Nowadays, I do in the simple ways with my disciples.
If you visit my post of the thread ‘The Snake Crane Wing Chun of Law Tiu Wen’, you will see the Law Tiu Wen old picture showing he is the 3rd generation of Snake Crane Wing Chun.
We also have () and () for us to recognise the (others in the same mun, but do not know each other).
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Our lineage is related to and 150 years ago. Why we float on the air now because since Law Tiu Wen learnt the skill from RedBoat Sun Kam, his late age. he want to keep the skill and left it in Law’s family for 3 generation.
Our Mun’s governing rules :
Snake Crane Wing Chun was hidden and kept very low profile because of the 4rd and the 4th statements of the rules.
Now, my master Law Chiu Wing, aged over 80, no son and his daughters no interest on it. Qing Dynasty collapse in the last century, People of China went to Taiwan, and now, the Republick of China. Very big changes. That’s why SCWC re-open today.
In the past few years, I have submitted serveral articles in the ‘New Martial Hero’ magazine in Hong Kong. You can go to the thread [The Snake Crane Wing Chun of Law Tiu Wen] with the topic ‘About Snake Crane Wing Chun()’ , and download all articles and print them. YOu will know more about SCWC. Also, my e-mail is in the articles, and you can contact me by e-mail.
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Wayne,
Thanks and appreciate again for your sharing.
You need to preserve your lineage tradition as much as possible so the future generation knows the root.
I am reading your presentations. They are very good and informative. We email brother, stay in contact.
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very few know the sound. . 
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1154272]very few know the sound. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGjolchJ9tU[/QUOTE]
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I think we have obligation to release information so that WCK grow to next level.
What I have heard is
or frameless. similar to
Thus, for myself, I am investigating the inch jin power Or momentum generation for decade now. I think the bottom line is fast and power generation in every condition.