As Usual Whipping Hand…
…You solidify and resemble my points.
Spectre sez to yuan fen:
you may be surprised as to how much of a connection Jun Fan and Wing Chun Do actually have to WC. As is often said of different WC schools and lineage, I would hope that you have researched and experienced these before making claims
I have “researched” enough to stick with wing chun without the slightest hesitation. The Bruce Lee connection to JF and WCD is insufficient for me for it to be wing chun. I respect what Glover has done in refining what he learned from Lee. Works for him.
There is enough uneven quality in wing chun to make very limited comparisons with many things.
You can’t open a closed mind.
Spectre sez:You can’t open a closed mind.
Tautologically true, empirically an open question(yuanfen)
Continued blessings in your life and your training.(Spectre)
Likewise(yuanfen)
Know and Understand…
To WH: By providing insight to others, how would you be
disrespecting those that taught you? and what do you gain from this forum?
To others: I went to visit my kwoon and talked with my Sifu off and on for 2 hours while he ran class. I got to see his advanced students in 7*, as well as other less experienced practicioners,
I watched the WC class right after that. It was that night that I Knew I had found what I was looking for. 2 of the advanced WC students were rolling arms/chi saoing/stepping /attacking,etc. amazingly quickly and fluently. I thought my Sifu must have incredible skills if these 2 WC/ 7* students were displaying them before my eyes. Sifu has been training since he was 14 or 15 so I’m sure it’s just the tip of the iceberg that I saw, so to speak. In March, I will have been training for 2 years. Now that I am rolling arms, I am beginning to Understand the art and depth of WC.
So, doing research will only take you so far. You have to talk with the Sifu and assess his students’ skill level and then get in there and touch hands yourself to truly Know and Understand. I must also add that I was impressed with the combat drills that both classes did.
Shadowboxer sez:To WH: By providing insight to others, how would you be
disrespecting those that taught you? and what do you gain from this forum?
Wait a minute. I believe that you are misreading and misrepresenting what WH was saying. WH did not argue against providing insight. He does that with his own style of brevity and expecting some effort on the part of the reader as well. He was
expressinga prefernce for not “pouring out”. Re read the posts.
WC is difficult enough with the information right infornt of you. Being good at it can only result from hard work.
I see nothing wrong with sharing information.
S.Teebas
Let’s not confuse the will to not ‘pour out’ and brevity for the need to feel superior to make up for the lack of self esteem.
Let’s not confuse the will to not ‘pour out’ and brevity for the need to feel superior to make up for the lack of self esteem…
sez Spectre
Shame-
“Need”, “lack”, “self esteem”…
The above “analysis” is sheer nonsense and quackeroo analysis of character through mysterious “reading” of posts. No wonder lists have trouble generating intelligent postings from knowledgeable folks.
Discuss some substance about wing chun Spectre rather than snide comments on character. Why sink low with ad hominem remarks?
Yuanfen
If you are going to preach, spread it evenly or not at all.
My posts were responding to the original question, and I answered them sincerely. Perhaps you need to reread the whole thread to see that it was Whipping Hand and yourself who started poking fun at the question asked.
Oddly enough, when you agree with Whipping Hand it seems ok when he insults and shows a lack of common courtesy towards others.
And for the record, there is no assasination of character unless there are false statements. While a post may not truly reflect the poster, it is still nonetheless a representation of the individual, and as such, the individual should respond in a manner that reflects their character.
Sometimes the truth hurts. Reflect the truth that you want others to know.
Kevin
ok whippy,
i tried to appolige to which you were still a little??? & i know you odviously for some unknown reason dislike me:p but i must say if you met me you would probably enjoy the time we spent training together…but anyway i hate to do this but something you said is a great concern to me.(that is in that i agree- and no i still don’t like you that much either)
‘There are plenty of other posters, who can satisfy your unwillingness to think.’
it’s not the whole thing but the last part “unwillingness to think”
i often worry that these days students are so spoon fed that they have lost the ability to or don’t need to think for themself.
it is true that we at first need to be explained how or why something may work but the thing i see all to often is that because students are continuely told that they don’t explore a technique for themselves.
please let me know if you all understand what i mean & if not i will try to further explain when i am not as drunk as i am now with no sleep & at 8:15am in the morning my time(the last part has been added as i know what i am trying to say but just don’t know if it came out right )
vts
Spectre
Let’s not confuse the will to not ‘pour out’ and brevity for the need to feel superior to make up for the lack of self esteem.
Would you feel more at ease if I used emoticons?
Originally posted by vingtsunstudent
these days students are so spoon fed that they have lost the ability to or don’t need to think for themself.
it is true that we at first need to be explained how or why something may work but the thing i see all to often is that because students are continuely told that they don’t explore a technique for themselves.
I agree vts. Students interpretation of “exploring”, as well as some sifus’, is to see against how many techniques can a particular motion be used. From there, it is determined that “such and such technique” does not work against “such and such”, instead of exploring the nature of the position. The result is a limited technique-based style, that is then passed down through a lineage, as a Wing Chun system.
By the way vts, I do not like you, nor dislike you.
Whipping Hand
Originally posted by whippinghand
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Would you feel more at ease if I used emoticons? [/B]
I do not feel easy nor uneasy. I simply state the obvious.
And you do it well.
As Do You.
Not according to what you’ve been whining about in the previous posts.
You obviously state your intent and character with each and every post.
You mistake standing up for what is wrong, with whining Whipping Hand. I am not surprised however that anyone who doesn’t agree with you can be misconstrued as a whiner. Simple mistake.
Kevin
Spectre- I am going to exit this thread and you can have the last word or thereabouts.
Amart from your arm chair psychiatry on character analysis from postings, and wing chun do’s version of the one inch punch- I have not seen much wing chun in your postings. Honest.
Spectre
Perhaps, some re-analysis of your own posts is in order… You lack consistency.