Sorry for posting again, but OJ and Marky are both correct, I think.
Ryan Bow is awesome! 
Here is Jeremy Horn’s record… the event should be listed. Let me know if you can figure out which event… click event name to see fight list.
http://sherdog.com/fightfinder/displayfighter.cfm?fighterid=202
Edit: actually if the fight was San Shou it wouldn’t be listed there…but the event should be if Horn faught MMA there
Originally posted by Water Dragon
Christopher M has kidnapped the Correct and sodomized it with a sharp stick.
LOL 
Yeah, he’s pretty good, and a really really nice guy. Had a bit of a bad run but seems to be back on form. He really kicked ass in the last fight I saw him in… can’t remember who that was either…!
Oh arse, just looked at Horn, I saw him in Pride 21, not at Ryan’s match… maybe I’ve taken too many punches… I can always remember faces, and the names and faces of people I’ve met but I’m **** at celebs…! Wonder who that big geezer was at the one I’m thinking of then… The biggest guys were in one of the guest fights with different rules (so was Ryan), so it probably wouldn’t be listed on their records (… talking of which, Ryan’s record is nowhere near up-to-date anywhere on the net).
I’ll ask Ryan anyway, he’ll remember the event if not the Chinese guy’s name. Problem with this evidence thing though… it was a first-time promotion, and if the chinese guy hasn’t got good backers, he probably isn’t going to make it again. I don’t think the purse was any good, especially for second. So that’s another (OK, well at least one ) good KF fighter consigned to anonymity!
haha, thanks for trying though… I believe you
What do you think about that Genki Sudo clip I had up? I bet he could pull off any style/stance he wants in a fight he is so good and crazy
Didn’t see the clip, but I’ve seen him… I think…! He’s good, eh,
Side kick?!!? Not even present in Muay Thai, immensely important in Sanshou.
Try again.
It is integral to full-contact karate too… your point?
By the way I was being serious about believing Mat.
My point is that sanshou differs from kickboxing (if by that you mean muay thai) in simple, obvious ways. Wasn’t that your question, how they differ?
No, I wasn’t asking a question.
By kickboxing I didn’t specifically mean Muay Thai. I meant kickboxing… the sport. I’m sure there are things in Muay Thai not in San Shou.
No, I wasn’t asking a question.
Please show me a fvcking San Shou bout that doesn’t look like kickboxing…thanks
Well, I guess that’s technically a request, not a question, but that’s splitting hairs five ways. Whenever you see a side kick, it’s different.
By kickboxing I didn’t specifically mean Muay Thai. I meant kickboxing… the sport.
Okay then, show me a kickboxing match where sidekicks are used a lot. If that’s not enough difference for you, show me one where kicks are caught and the supporting leg swept, or other throwdown type techniques are used a lot. That sounds like plenty of distinction to me.
I’m sure there are things in Muay Thai not in San Shou.
Then why the hell am I arguing with you? You’re admitting here there’s important differences, but your initial claim is there are not. What side are you arguing anyway?
Nice Chris M. Let’s see how all the flamers fare against the king of debate.
Originally posted by Brad
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Well, I don’t see normal kickboxers throwing people… CMA styles have punches and kicks too… not sure what exactly what everyone’s looking for.
http://www.cungle.com/downloads.html [/B]
does normal kickboxing include muay thai guys?
Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
[B]Side kick?!!? Not even present in Muay Thai, immensely important in Sanshou.
Try again. [/B]
It’s present…rare, but present.
Originally posted by old jong
You can revert to something you never trained in because it is part of the cultural environment. Boxing is very natural for an occidental .As I said before,you will see little kids “reverting” to it .The same with wrestling. We imitate .That’s all. That must be the real “monkey style”
Then you aren’t really reverting to kickboxing. You’re reverting to a pale imitation. Pummeling someone with your fists is very natural. Grabbing them is very natural. But both of those things are light years away from actual boxing, kickboxing, or grappling, surely. To insist otherwise (and I know you aren’t) is, indeed, degrading to those styles.
Stuart B.
First off, there is a huge difference between doing ‘martial arts’ and practicing to achieve ‘kungfu’.
external, internal, it all is superfluous to the actual goal. These are all just catergorical and descriptive terms used to define small parts of what Kungfu is.
One can do Kungfu all their life and never be in a fight.
There is an idea in many peoples heads about how competition level fighting is the measure of any art. I would not hold to this idea. An ‘art’ is a total approach and not a segmentation of the whole.
Sport fighting is fine and certainly one can take aspects of their kungfu into a ring or a street fight or what have you. They certainly aren’t taking it all in there with them.
Competition is for those that are driven to do it. It’s simply not for everyone and some people value the fighting aspects a whole lot less than many of the other benefits derived from total Kungfu practice instead of just the segment that is fighting.
Kungfu is holistic. It isn’t “just” fighting, or fighting fabulously. To not see this point is to not understand the fundamental purpose of kungfu.
cheers
The reality is quite simple, so called “traditional kung fu” people can’t fight. They feel impotent, woefully incapable and worthless, thus they have to try and find excuses and cover their rear ends. Thus, when they look at REAL fighting, ie San Shou, they have to find ways to explain why they don’t last 30 seconds…
Traditional kung fu guy with “famous” Chinese master to one of my guys are nationals last year; “you hit me once and all I saw was black”… he didn’t see black for very long, the whole match was 43 seconds…
now, little children, go back to playing with your tin foil broadswords and make sure you point your finger at that bell from 30 yards so that in 5 years you can make a chicken blow up with your chi blast
I don’t really think of kickboxing strictly in the competition sense anyway. I regard it as a method of fighting and training first. And a competition format second.
I personally don’t compete, but I like the self-evidence and empirical nature of kickboxing.
Traditional kung fu guy with “famous” Chinese master to one of my guys are nationals last year; “you hit me once and all I saw was black”… he didn’t see black for very long, the whole match was 43 seconds…
I suppose that match was governed under sport fighting rules? Kung Fu is not a sport, and was never intended to be one.
Old Jong,
You can revert to something you never trained in because it is part of the cultural environment. Boxing is very natural for an occidental .As I said before,you will see little kids “reverting” to it .The same with wrestling. We imitate.
I’m a little scepticle of this; When I was a little kid on the playground we used to start in the typical exagerated karate and ninja stances before the fight. We were very influenced by what we say in bruce lee an other martial arts movies. However though when the fighting did eventually start and we were getting hit, we’d switch to more of a boxing stance. It was way easier to move and protect yourself.
Muay Thai fighters hand strikes are almost exactly like western boxing. Clips I’ve seen from asian tournaments also show kickboxing like stances and strikes. This is too big of a coincidence to be overlooked? Why does every fighting event with full contact and knockouts allowed look suprisingly similar.
MasterKiller,
I suppose that match was governed under sport fighting rules? Kung Fu is not a sport, and was never intended to be one.
Well neither was Pankration, but modern wrestling evolved from it. Neither was Jujitsu but it eventually did. I really don’t see the argument here; Sport fighting with full contact and knockout rules are based on:
a) controlling the range of the fight
b) striking hard
c) striking with acuracy
d) measuring distance
e) measuring timing
f) toughening your body
g) handling an adrenaline dump
These skills are extremely important to any fighter and I’d say to any martial artist.