Stop teaching students the apps of techniques, give them puffy gloves and shin guards … start preaching the benefits of ‘stripping down’ the MA, getting to the essentials … how all the ‘traditional’ stuff is too slow to compete, has to be ‘optimized’, etc.
Is this why all MA lineages seem to turn into kickboxing in the end?
I dunno, maybe because when you get down to it, a fight is about being able to hit and kick people and basic is what works
every wonder why even though video is widespread around the world now, we still don’t find any clips of people fighting for real and looking like Shaw Bros kung fu movies?
Or maybe that’s because the real masters are hiding in caves, afraid to reveal their dim mak
:rolleyes:
Or maybe that’s because the real masters are hiding in caves, afraid to reveal their dim mak
The great ones are always the toughest to find!!! 
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;945050]I dunno, maybe because when you get down to it, a fight is about being able to hit and kick people and basic is what works
every wonder why even though video is widespread around the world now, we still don’t find any clips of people fighting for real and looking like Shaw Bros kung fu movies?
Or maybe that’s because the real masters are hiding in caves, afraid to reveal their dim mak
:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Actually, the TRUTH is … very simple …
You hit anybody in the nose or face hard enough to hurt them … they BLEED … (or just go ow … I want to stop) = end of the competition fight.
Therefore, competition fighting = mostly watered down boxing with puffy gloves on so it goes on longer. Case closed.
All I know is that simple = better.
LMFAO
Please, go to a boxing gym and ask one of those MERE SPORT FIGHTERS to punch you in the face with the FLUFFY GLOVES and then, when you wake up, report back what happened :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;945058]LMFAO
Please, go to a boxing gym and ask one of those MERE SPORT FIGHTERS to punch you in the face with the FLUFFY GLOVES and then, when you wake up, report back what happened :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Been to tourneys, been hit plenty of times. Not saying there’s anything wrong with mere sport fighters just saying that in the end, it all gets watered down to the same stuff, different buzzword.
[QUOTE=andyhaas;945056]Actually, the TRUTH is … very simple …
You hit anybody in the nose or face hard enough to hurt them … they BLEED … (or just go ow … I want to stop) = end of the competition fight.
Therefore, competition fighting = mostly watered down boxing with puffy gloves on so it goes on longer. Case closed.[/QUOTE]
You haven’t seen a lot of fights have you?
This is not my experience.
Now, if we’re talking about amateur stuff, yeah, there’s lots and lots and lots of crappy “fighters” who enter amateur competition. Good for them, i hope they learn something.
But quality kickboxing is superior to well… there aren’t any venues for kungfu fighting now are there? are there? or is everyone too afraid they will kill their opponent with their special deadly that only they have in their lineage?
lol
[QUOTE=andyhaas;945061]Been to tourneys,
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you aren’t talk about point sparring are you? no, really
what FIGHTS have you had???
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;945062]You haven’t seen a lot of fights have you?
This is not my experience.
Now, if we’re talking about amateur stuff, yeah, there’s lots and lots and lots of crappy “fighters” who enter amateur competition. Good for them, i hope they learn something.
But quality kickboxing is superior to well… there aren’t any venues for kungfu fighting now are there? are there? or is everyone too afraid they will kill their opponent with their special deadly that only they have in their lineage?
lol[/QUOTE]
darn it Jamieson, I told you, stop agreeing with me, you’ll blow the whole thing and they’ll know we are actually Gene Ching 
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;945062]You haven’t seen a lot of fights have you?
This is not my experience.
Now, if we’re talking about amateur stuff, yeah, there’s lots and lots and lots of crappy “fighters” who enter amateur competition. Good for them, i hope they learn something.
But quality kickboxing is superior to well… there aren’t any venues for kungfu fighting now are there? are there? or is everyone too afraid they will kill their opponent with their special deadly that only they have in their lineage?
lol[/QUOTE]
I’ve only been in 3 real fights. 2 ended up with broken noses and the other person yelling and saying I shouldn’t have hit them after they hit me, and the other one ended up with a friend pulling the guy off me because I was too drunk to fight. LOL
Anyways … whatever … I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with kickboxing … just wanting to say something that I probably shouldn’t say.
(Like … maybe people should check out their local kickboxing and boxing gym if they want to get the best kickboxing and skip the MMA latest buzzword crap).
“street fights” against untrained / unconditioned people, especially drunk untrained / unconditioned people are completely meaningless
what FULL CONTACT events have you done?
You used the workd “tourneys” - were they FULL CONTACT? if so what were they, when and were?
[QUOTE=andyhaas;945065]I’ve only been in 3 real fights. 2 ended up with broken noses and the other person yelling and saying I shouldn’t have hit them after they hit me, and the other one ended up with a friend pulling the guy off me because I was too drunk to fight. LOL
Anyways … whatever … I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with kickboxing … just wanting to say something that I probably shouldn’t say.
(Like … maybe people should check out their local kickboxing and boxing gym if they want to get the best kickboxing and skip the MMA latest buzzword crap).[/QUOTE]
that’s cool.
so, you shouldn’t really be commenting except to say that if people think kickboxing is no good, they should go try out a club.
maybe after a couple of months of training you might get to step up and have your ass handed to you and therein is the lesson. 
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;945066]“street fights” against untrained / unconditioned people, especially drunk untrained / unconditioned people are completely meaningless
what FULL CONTACT events have you done?
You used the workd “tourneys” - were they FULL CONTACT? if so what were they, when and were?[/QUOTE]
THERE ARE NO OTHER FULL CONTACT FIGHTS THAN UNCONTROLLED, NON PLANNED, FIGHTS.
At least in my definition.
Planned events do not denote FULL CONTACT in my definition.
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;945066]“street fights” against untrained / unconditioned people, especially drunk untrained / unconditioned people are completely meaningless
what FULL CONTACT events have you done?
You used the workd “tourneys” - were they FULL CONTACT? if so what were they, when and were?[/QUOTE]
THERE ARE NO OTHER FULL CONTACT FIGHTS THAN UNCONTROLLED, NON PLANNED, FIGHTS.
At least in my definition.
Planned events do not denote FULL CONTACT.
(I used to think that tourneys were kindof like fighting for real but really no – no gloves, no rules, when it’s unexpected. That’s real fighting. Anything else isn’t.)
wow, andy, what part of the bay are your from bro?
[QUOTE=andyhaas;945070]THERE ARE NO OTHER FULL CONTACT FIGHTS THAN UNCONTROLLED, NON PLANNED, FIGHTS.
At least in my definition.
Planned events do not denote FULL CONTACT in my definition.[/QUOTE]
I’ll take that to mean “no, I’ve never done a full contact fight” :rolleyes:
I have bad news for you, a lot of traditionally trained people step into a full contact event, with obvious notice, with what they thought was preparation, they are looking at the guy across the ring/cage, they know when the match is about to start, they have WARNING and they still get destroyed
But you think that guy would do great in a spontaneous surprise attack?
uh, ok… :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=andyhaas;945072]THERE ARE NO OTHER FULL CONTACT FIGHTS THAN UNCONTROLLED, NON PLANNED, FIGHTS.
At least in my definition.
Planned events do not denote FULL CONTACT.[/QUOTE]
your definition is lacking andy.
you’ll get hit harder by a guy who’s been training to hit you hard for 3 to 6 months in a regimen designed to build his strength and fighting ability than you will in most any street fight or against some drunken fool.
simply put, stepping into a fight, as planned is way harder to do than many people think. Not so much the wrestling and jujitsu kind of stuff, because except for tapping or getting locked you aren’t gonna get hurt too bad there. BUt boxing, kickboxing, MT, San Shou, FC Karate etc, you will bring up your chances of some hurting.
I’d rather fight a shlub than a trained fighter. It’s less work for me.
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;945074]I’ll take that to mean “no, I’ve never done a full contact fight” :rolleyes:
I have bad news for you, a lot of traditionally trained people step into a full contact event, with obvious notice, with what they thought was preparation, they are looking at the guy across the ring/cage, they know when the match is about to start, they have WARNING and they still get destroyed
But you think that guy would do great in a spontaneous surprise attack?
uh, ok… :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I’m from Northbay. I haven’t gotten into too many fights in my life.
I’ve done karate tournaments with gloves … they called them full contact. I haven’t done karate tournaments without gloves.
But really full contact IMHO means you aren’t expecting trouble, and it happens. You never really know how you’ll react until it happens. If you do it in a ring, it’s an expected thing.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;945076]your definition is lacking andy.
you’ll get hit harder by a guy who’s been training to hit you hard for 3 to 6 months in a regimen designed to build his strength and fighting ability than you will in most any street fight or against some drunken fool.
simply put, stepping into a fight, as planned is way harder to do than many people think. Not so much the wrestling and jujitsu kind of stuff, because except for tapping or getting locked you aren’t gonna get hurt too bad there. BUt boxing, kickboxing, MT, San Shou, FC Karate etc, you will bring up your chances of some hurting.
I’d rather fight a shlub than a trained fighter. It’s less work for me. :)[/QUOTE]
IMHO … you’ll get hit harder by some guy on the street who had some boxing training and who hits his heavy bag than some guy who is used to pulling his punches for tourneys. At least it feels harder.
Pavement is harder than a mat when getting taken down (although after high throws in Judo, only moderately … LOL)