Or they actually fought and tested their skills to develop their art and improve it and as such, word got around.
Which was, by the vast majority, the case.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1055331]Or they actually fought and tested their skills to develop their art and improve it and as such, word got around.
Which was, by the vast majority, the case.[/QUOTE]
True and actually, that is what I meant, as very few people, even those in the public eye, become legendary by merely practicing kung fu. What made their name was their testing of their given TCMAs, but chances are that what contributed to the wide spread recognition of their names was their positions in the public eye,as opposed to a kung fu master in some obscure village thay may have killed some bandits and challengers, with his bare hands.
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1054326]grass-roots political movement formed in response to the socialist-fascist leanings of the US government…[/QUOTE]
I’ve always wondered what a “socialist-fascist” was. I know what each of them individually mean but since they are the opposite of each other, how do you combine the two?
That’s like saying the “right-left” wing leanings.
The “eastern-western” cultural ideology.
The “fat-skinny” chicks.
The “scrawny-musclebound” freak.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055760]I’ve always wondered what a “socialist-fascist” was. I know what each of them individually mean but since they are the opposite of each other, how do you combine the two? [/quote]
The opposite nature of fascism and socialism is yet another illusion that has been created by the powers that be to separate and hood wink the human race.
Extreme Socialism and Fascism have a lot in common. They both refer to a centralized form of government, read, dictatorships. Extreme Socialism may refer to the government being in charge of the means of production, while Fascism may represent a partnership between government and private business. For the former, see, the ex-Soviet Union, and for the latter see, Nazi (National Socialist German Worker’s party) Germany and the current political path of the United States, where private corporations are merging with each other on one level, while being taken over by government and/or “going to bed” with them, on another level.
Yes of course they yield similar results but you still can’t be both at the same time. They are opposite extremes on a spectrum. Fascism is the logical extreme of far right ideology and socialism (communism really) is what lies at the logical extreme of the far left.
Fascism is what happens when private business takes over everything
Communism is what happens when the government takes over everything
The two systems are mutually exclusive. The fact the the Natzi’s were called the “National Socialist Workers Party” is no more relevant than the names chosen by any of the lobby groups in America today. That argument is just silly.
Extreme Socialism and Fascism have a lot in common. They both refer to a centralized form of government, read, dictatorships.
A lot in common eh? So far you’ve managed to list a single common trait. They both refer to a centralized form of government…waitasec…so does “republic”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralized_government
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_'centralized_government'_mean
Your just throwing out more vaguaries that don’t really mean anything.
Your second similarity is that they both lead to dicatorships…just like democracies do. Just take a look at any number of “democratic” banana republics.
You’re just throwing terms around based on your emotional assiciations to those terms without actually giving any consideration to what they mean. What the heck was taai gihk yahn actually trying to say by referring to the “fascist-socialist” leanings of the US government?
Was he saying that the government leans towards:
Dicatorship? (then why not just say “dictatorial leanings”)
Overly close cooperation between public and private sector? (fascist)
Government taking charge of the private corporate sector? (socialist)
You can’t logically be both fascist and socialist.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055777]Yes of course they yield similar results but you still can’t be both at the same time.[/quote]
Of course you can. You may not know that you are doing it, but you can be both.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055777]They are opposite extremes on a spectrum. Fascism is the logical extreme of far right ideology and socialism (communism really) is what lies at the logical extreme of the far left. [/quote]
The “right” and “left” definitions are for the most part illusions created to divide and rule human beings.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055777]Fascism is what happens when private business takes over everything
Communism is what happens when the government takes over everything[/quote]
Isn’t the private business that takes over everythings, the real government?
And, doesn’t the government that takes over everything become all business and industry that exists?
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055777]The two systems are mutually exclusive.[/quote]
No, they are the same, because a centralised government ends up screwing the people.
Every other “fact” is just an illusion!
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055777]The fact the the Natzi’s were called the “National Socialist Workers Party” is no more relevant than the names chosen by any of the lobby groups in America today. That argument is just silly. [/quote]
It is more relevant than you might think.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055777]A lot in common eh? So far you’ve managed to list a single common trait. They both refer to a centralized form of government…waitasec…so does “republic”. [/quote]
Well, there is the “Federal Republic” and the “republic”. Basically, wherever you see a centralized government then you are looking at fascism, in one form or the other.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055777]Your just throwing out more vaguaries that don’t really mean anything. [/quote]
I am not being vague. I am stating a fact to you, that is not very apparent at first, but will become clear when you think about it and do some real research.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055777]Your second similarity is that they both lead to dicatorships…just like democracies do. Just take a look at any number of “democratic” banana republics. [/quote]
Yes, I am very well aware of Obama/Bush’s (and beyond’s) America.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055777]You’re just throwing terms around based on your emotional assiciations to those terms without actually giving any consideration to what they mean. [/quote]
There is nothing emotional about my response. The more you centralize power of government, then the more extreme you become, classifying this phenomenon as “The Right” or “The Left”, is almost meaningless.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055777]What the heck was taai gihk yahn actually trying to say by referring to the “fascist-socialist” leanings of the US government?[/quote]
I believe that he was also stating that you can be both at the same time.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055777]Was he saying that the government leans towards:
Dicatorship? (then why not just say “dictatorial leanings”)[/quote]
Perhaps he was being concise, by including the “how” of this phenomenom, in the case of the US government.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055777]Overly close cooperation between public and private sector? (fascist)
Government taking charge of the private corporate sector? (socialist)[/quote]
Both of the above phenomenon exist in the US today. Actually, this was planned a long time ago, and has been gotten to, step by step, since the beginnings of the last century, when it was decided that the best way to control the population would be through controlling them by a collective centralized system.
Ironically, the same people,in the Western industrialized countries, who were carrying out this agenda throughout the 20th century, were also badmouthing and criticizing the then Soviet Union, while they do the same today with China.
I guess this is a way of hood winking their own populations into believing that they live in “free” and “democratic” societies, while they slowly and systematically squeeze them through extortionate taxations; Confuse them with none existance “global threats”, into giving up the few actual freedoms that they have left, and generally treat them as brainless cattle.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055777]You can’t logically be both fascist and socialist.[/QUOTE]
Tell that to Mr Pea Brain Puppet Barack Obama, who is doing exactly that, on behalf of his handlers (the same people behind the reign of the village idiot George Bush).
was enjoying the thread until I ran into the brick wall of political loonacy, why, why do you have to make everything political and try turning everyone else’s opinions?
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1055781]
Isn’t the private business that takes over everythings, the real government?
And, doesn’t the government that takes over everything become all business and industry that exists?[/quote]
No.
Go back to school, get your GED and then come back and discuss this after you’ve learned a little basic English vocabulary.
The government, by definition, is not a private business. It’s public. That’s what the words “public” and “private” indicate. Much like those other two terms you are still struggling with “fascism” and “socialism”, public and private are opposites.
Well, there is the “Federal Republic” and the “republic”. Basically, wherever you see a centralized government then you are looking at fascism, in one form or the other.
Every stable democracy in the world has a centralized government. We only differ in degree. It’s not possible to run a nation of 100’s of millions without at least some degree of centralization. Otherwise we would be incapable of responding to international events. That’s why the military is highly centralized as are issues of international relations, trade and so on. Basically, all federal law is centralized and always has been. State law is decentralized.
I can’t be bothered with the rest of you post because until you learn basic terms all other will be pointless because without a basic command of the relevant vocabulary, it’s not going to be possible to decipher any of your points.
dragon…
was enjoying the thread until I ran into the brick wall of political loonacy, why, why do you have to make everything political and try turning everyone else’s opinions?
kind reminds me of all the threads that get taken over by MMA is the best and TCMA suck because we are not using our skills agsint resisting opponents and we cant fight etc etc doesnt it?
gets a little frustrating when the KUNG FU forum gets over ruin with NON kung fu topics and conversation…
kind reminds me of all the threads that get taken over by MMA is the best and TCMA suck because we are not using our skills agsint resisting opponents and we cant fight etc etc doesnt it?
gets a little frustrating when the KUNG FU forum gets over ruin with NON kung fu topics and conversation…
at least its still in the ball park when talking of MA’s. If you wanna go b!tch about your life and the rest of the world go into the off topic.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055809]No.
Go back to school, get your GED and then come back and discuss this after you’ve learned a little basic English vocabulary.[/quote]
Or perhaps you can re-read what I wrote, to clear up any confusions that you may have?
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055809]The government, by definition, is not a private business. [/quote]
We are not concerned with definitions, because by definition the US government is a freedom loving, respector of human rights, and a Democracy, but by definition only, because if you ask the Afghan and Iraqi civilians who have survived mass murder, then they will give you a different opinion!
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055809]It’s public. That’s what the words “public” and “private” indicate. [/quote]
What does the word public indicate when your and my governments are bought and payed for by the international banking cartels, and their lobbyists?
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055809]Much like those other two terms you are still struggling with “fascism” and “socialism”,[/quote]
Current evidence would suggest that you are the one struggling with those two terms, which represent more or less the same thing.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055809]public and private are opposites. ;)[/quote]
By definition they are, but in reality the masses have been hood winked, yet again.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055809]Every stable democracy in the world has a centralized government. [/quote]
Yes, we know, any government will need a degree of centralization. Of course, the less, the better!
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055809]We only differ in degree. It’s not possible to run a nation of 100’s of millions without at least some degree of centralization. [/quote]
Some degree of centralization is very different from a Fascist Socialist state, that controls every aspect of our lives, using fantasies like the “Terrorist Threat”, “Global Warming”, “Pandemic/Epidemic threats” and etc. to traumatise and then to over-tax, spy on and control every aspect of our lives!!!
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055809]Otherwise we would be incapable of responding to international events.[/quote]
If you research further you will see that your own country, together with her allies, are behind most of the “international events” that you speak of.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055809]That’s why the military is highly centralized as are issues of international relations, trade and so on. Basically, all federal law is centralized and always has been. State law is decentralized. [/quote]
If you do your homework, then you will see that more and more all the above are becoming centralized. This is a sign of an impending Fascist state. That is big business is merging more and more within its own area and markets. Big business is also merging with government. Government itself is getting bigger and bigger,with more influence over its citizens. It is time to wake up boyo!
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1055809]I can’t be bothered with the rest of you post because until you learn basic terms all other will be pointless because without a basic command of the relevant vocabulary, it’s not going to be possible to decipher any of your points.[/QUOTE]
The problem is not my “vocabulory”, rather it is your lack of comprehension of the political realities of today.
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1055814]dragon…
kind reminds me of all the threads that get taken over by MMA is the best and TCMA suck because we are not using our skills agsint resisting opponents and we cant fight etc etc doesnt it?
gets a little frustrating when the KUNG FU forum gets over ruin with NON kung fu topics and conversation…[/QUOTE]
Sorry EarthDragon, sometimes threads get diverted, but it is not a flame war or anything like that, and I have contributed to the subject matter of this thread already.
From your response, it seems that Dragonzbane76, is complaining as well. I don’t see his posts because I took your advice a few weeks ago and put him on ignore.
However, I find it ironic that a poster such as Dragonzbane76 that has stalked me on this forum for months, derailing dozens of threads, should now come out and complain.
By the way, thanks for advising me to put this guy and knifefighter, on ignore. It is the best thing that I did.
However, I find it ironic that a poster such as Dragonzbane76 that has stalked me on this forum for months, derailing dozens of threads, should now come out and complain.
By the way, thanks for advising me to put this guy and knifefighter, on ignore. It is the best thing that I did.
i agree for once with you. best thing you ever did.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1056123]
The problem is not my “vocabulory”, rather it is your lack of comprehension of the political realities of today.;)[/QUOTE]
Um…that’s spelled “vocabulary”.
So…like I was saying, go back and get your GED and then we can talk.
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1056308]Um…that’s spelled “vocabulary”.
So…like I was saying, go back and get your GED and then we can talk.[/QUOTE]
You seem to be attempting to divert attention from your political cluelessness…but that is fine. LOL!
Your defeatist and “bury the head in sand” attitude does not do the future of your country any favors…!
making more friends I see mr. douchbag. 
I still see that one of this forum’s eternal village idiots is still stalking me.
Every time I see him posting after a post of mine, I know he is being negative and looking for attention.
Dragonzbane76, I HAVE YOU ON IGNORE AND I CAN’T READ YOUR POSTS! LOL
Why are the MMA people in this forums so brain dead slow:confused: