The part with the elbow looks super duper exposed for a grappler to do his worst.
But yeah, I agree with the rest. That elbow looks like a TERRIBLE idea.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1054198]… tie up both of your own hands while leaving one of his free to smash you in the face. [/QUOTE]
Basic, but neglected wisdom. In fact, you try to get your opponent to use both hands to defend one for expressly the purpose of working the advantage.
The bad logic here is that nobody asks what to do if it doesn’t work, and now you have your back exposed.
[QUOTE=Drake;1054235]The bad logic here is that nobody asks what to do if it doesn’t work, and now you have your back exposed.[/QUOTE]
Learn to defend the back.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1054215]Here are some basic principles behind finger dislocations (rarely will the fingers actually break).
- Never tie up two hands on one if you are directly facing the opponent and are within punching range.
- If you are extended out or off to an angle so that the opponent cannot strike, grab two fingers, one in each hand (the two opposite end fingers are most likely in the best position to be grabbed). Pull them in opposite directions and toward the opponent.
- Grabbing someone’s finger(s) is very low percentage in a dynamic situation unless you already have a superior control position.[/QUOTE]
That’s way nastier than a finger break or dislocation. That will rip the hand open.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1054228]Then why did you show the clip that you said would work when there was no elbow control?[/QUOTE]
If you think your opponent is better than you, you move into his side door, so you can use his leading arm to jam his back arm, and you only have to deal with one of his arms instead of two. If you think you are better than your opponent (faster, stronger, more experience, …), you move into his front door. Even if you take the risk to deal with both of his arms, but you have more techniques that you can apply, and also you have more open area to attack. MA has no absolute right or wrong but “trade off”.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1054215]Here are some basic principles behind finger dislocations (rarely will the fingers actually break).
- Never tie up two hands on one if you are directly facing the opponent and are within punching range.
- If you are extended out or off to an angle so that the opponent cannot strike, grab two fingers, one in each hand (the two opposite end fingers are most likely in the best position to be grabbed). Pull them in opposite directions and toward the opponent.
- Grabbing someone’s finger(s) is very low percentage in a dynamic situation unless you already have a superior control position.[/QUOTE]
The “finger split” and “finger break” are the 2 major joint locking technique that can be applied on the finger joint. It will be hard to pull out when you have boxing gloves on and hop around.
Sometime you can apply joint lock when you shake hand with your opponent. IMO, joint locking is always used by surprise.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1054244]The “finger split” and “finger break” are the 2 major joint locking technique that can be applied on the finger joint. It will be useless when you have boxing gloves on and that’s for sure.[/QUOTE]
Actually, having the opponent wearing boxing gloves is the best way to practice finger breaks full force. Since you can’t isolate the finger to break it and injure your opponent, you can grab the boxing glove as if you were grabbing fingers. If you can grab and manipulate the glove without getting smashed or countered as your opponent is resisting and hitting you full contact, there’s a pretty good chance you would be able to pull off a finger grab. If your opponent is halfway skilled and/or athletic, you’ll find it’s pretty hard to maintain the control you need for the “finger” manipulation.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1054244]Sometime you can apply joint lock when you shake hand with your opponent. IMO, joint locking is always used by surprise.[/QUOTE]
It’s also a nice way to really piss someone off who wasn’t pissed off before.
at what point would you even attempt a finger break instead of something more solid?
[QUOTE=Lucas;1054247]at what point would you even attempt a finger break instead of something more solid?[/QUOTE]
During hand fighting for position.
ahh gotcha
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1054250]These 2 clips are very similiar.
TCMA way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjMvYa_ecSo
MMA way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncANIwIvO4k&feature=fvw[/QUOTE]
LOL… They are not similar at all.
The “TCMA way” misses the most realistic, high percentage part of the whole thing.
and good luck with the low percentage finish on both of those versions.
I’m not seeing the similarity. And in the TCMA one, the opponent looks dead.
I’ll look dead too when someone sits on my shoulder.
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1054213]how sad - yet another supposed “traditionalist” falls by the wayside to go study an irrelevant system that does not conform to TCMA principles, instead of realizing that his TCMA actually contains everything needed to address ground fighting scenarios effectively and as well as, if not better than any other ground fighting based system out there; too bad Frank, I guess that you just didn’t study your art deeply enough, or perhaps your teacher held back information because of your poor moral character…[/QUOTE]
You took those words right out of my mouth.
[QUOTE=Drake;1054219]Refusal to acknowledge the importance of ground fighting is refusal to accept that the kick, punch, or joint lock may fail. Yet, with all of the CLF training I’ve done, there’s always a follow up in the first couple of hits fail. Why not think about what to do if someone successfully brings the fight to the ground? Are you just going to lay there like a defeated puppy, because you have nothing in your toolkit?[/QUOTE]
I guess that is why some kung fu (and karate) styles address ground fighting.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1054225]When your opponent spins, he gives you his back and you can apply “head lock” on him. That 1/10 second “expose his back” should give you enough time to do your stuff. All BJJ guys will know that one should not turn his back to his opponent.[/QUOTE]
Us Chow Gar and Wing Chun guys know that too.;)