One from earth, then from waist, the solemn energy is from the centre. exhuberating not only to the earth or the hands but the whole body. If incorrectly practised the effect on the organs is unjustified.
to go to Earth one must know heaven, to go to heaven one must commence with earth. but the centre is between both heaven and earth, the conceptualisation of man is the source of the energy.
[some translations from the classics]
rgds,
KEILUN
i understand about the hands and the luk ging dont worry about that. I was asking you the question!
Shaolinmaster
from the dan tien the center is this what you are saying, i said the hips and waist to make it a little more easier.
anyway does anyone know this tremor power of bak mei or is it just taiji fajing? If so then why not just practise taiji because i know they do this better then any of the bak mei tremor ging lol. Its because ive never seen any sifu do the forms like this!(loose boxing) of bak mei.
anyway does anyone know this tremor power of bak mei or is it just taiji fajing?
FT,
Fajing is just power manifestation there are many types such manifestations in taijiquan (as in all MAs). Then there is fundamental steps of jing development : Ming, An, Hua.
Do not become confused by the terminology and be careful of mixing mando with canto.
Also, just taiji fajing you say it as if it is so easy when in fact it is even rarely manifested by taiji people. reeling and releasing is not the same and that is what most see. One must observe the centre and how it manifests both inwardly and outwardly to understand
Taijiquan is an extremely wonderful art
shaolin master
thanks i understand that but was just tryoing at a basic level to say that!
thanks for your answr all the same.
later
FT
Questionnaire:
OK
What type of Ging should I use for the following attacks?
A. GENG JAK GING B. SAAAAY DONG GING C. FAAAAT GING
A. GENG JAK GING B. SAAAAY DONG GING C. FAAAAT GING
A. GENG JAK GING B. SAAAAY DONG GING C. FAAAAT GING
A. GENG JAK GING B. SAAAAY DONG GING C. FAAAAT GING
A. GENG JAK GING B. SAAAAY DONG GING C. FAAAAT GING
A. GENG JAK GING B. SAAAAY DONG GING C. FAAAAT GING
last but not least, what type of tiger claw ging technique would be best for ripping out the heart?
oh yeah, is reeling silk part of dress making? Is this similar to cutting ribbons at all?
This is just for starters because after reading this thread I have become very confused about which Ging to use for some of these attacks…I mean would SAAAAAAY DONG GING work as an eardrum pop, clapping on both sides of the opponents head? Help me out here!!!
Thanks very much,
Tao Yin
LOL
Tao Yin,
I would use chum ging! hahahah
nice post!
The mysteries of ging!!!
All this talk about disecting and examining then labelling this ‘‘powerful ging’’ helps you to fully understand what ging is.
Reading some masters interpretation of ging would help you develop it much quicker.
A thought, is ging manifestation a consious or sub concious effort?
Just because you have not seen it, does that mean it doesn’t exist?
Your tremor and someonelse’s tremor, is it the same thing?
cloud one
Im not saying because i havent seen it i dont know ot, but maybe i know it but havent seen it!:eek:
Half the people here or should i say most talk as if they can do it when none have seen the **** thing. Same as 5 elements, dr wong at least he has it on his website!! Who else.
Really i dont give a F@ck to tell you the truth, im banging my head against the wall really. hahahahaha :rolleyes: :o
Don’t be shy
‘’ but maybe i know it but havent seen it!‘’
[SIZE=3]Know[/SIZE] , Ahh! so to you it is a concious thing.
That clears it up.
Come on I don’t think that is a good example for others to follow;)
cloud
lol, what ever dude!
whats up with you guys?to much love hahahaha
this what i "think"or even may have experience?brace yourself?
i’ve never heard of that discription all ging manifested will do what they say.but and i mean a very big but."ging lik"is only one entity another would be “si-lik”[might and mane] tchi lik[internal]fackh-lik[speed]these are all the entities i know of then there is ji-lik [finger tip]what would happen if one possed all or train all?[would it be tremor ging?].
yes its true.what i haven’t heard doesn’t mean that it does not exsist but,to whom?
there is tremor then there is TREMOR
Could it be if you did meet the remarkable ‘Dr Wong’ and saw or touch hands with him then you could get a take on his ‘tremor ging’ or is it called ‘brace ging’?
Maybe your disription would be the same or different.
Words are words-are they not my freind/foe?
F.T whatever dude lol
Tao yin- how many gings are there that you should use?
All or none?
CLOUD ONE – Could it be if you did meet the remarkable ‘Dr Wong’ and saw or touch hands with him then you could get a take on his ‘tremor ging’ or is it called ‘brace ging’?
You would agree that Pak Mei is a most exquisite martial art, would you not, my friend?
I do believe it is reasonable to ask the question - Of what value is tremor ging if Dr. Wong does in fact posses it? It is undeniable that a rather fat SPM practitioner of low skill repeatedly knocked down Dr. Wong, at least 6 times, during gong sau and did so in Dr. Wong’s own school. It does seem rather presumptuous but if Dr. Wong has this great ging, and his web page shows him knocking back 15 people, then perhaps it is the case that SPM is simply vastly superior to Pak Mei. Obviously, this cannot be the case, my friend. Therefore, …
CLOUD ONE - Maybe your disription would be the same or different.
I do believe that his description would depend, at least in part, on his position and perspective. For instance, if he was to assume the position of Dr. Wong, he would have to be flat on his posterior region, on the ground and looking up [See above].
Temor ging or no tremor ging; what is the ultimate value of such a thing beyond making a nice web page addition? If Dr. Wong’s tremor ging skill is real then this is a valid question, would you not agree, my friend?
Cannibalism is unequivocally a valid dynamic for all societies. I am, Hideous.
Hideous
Sorry, I can’t answer. Maybe you sould ask Dr Wong?
F.t- How’s it mate? Hope to catch up on MSN.
CLOUD ONE - Sorry, I can’t answer. Maybe you sould ask Dr Wong?
Piffle. I do believe you would be well served by closely scrutinizing the inside of your residence, my friend. Perhaps you will be successful in locating your gonads.
Cannibalism is unequivocally a valid dynamic for all societies. I am, Hideous.
Hideous
Thanks for the tip. I wondered where they got to.
Could you locate my missing…
whilst your at it.
Thanks in advance.
Cloud
“Sorry, I can’t answer. Maybe you sould ask Dr Wong?”
Hideous,I have kept quite through your posts reguarding
my Sifu and someone that you refer as the “fat man”
,on many posts you have reffered to the tape of my Sifu and friend getting knocked down .
I have seen four versions of this tape,yes,I was there when this took place,were you?
If you were not there then you are basing your insults,not matter how
articulate and passive-agressive you seem to be your information
is distorted by doctored tapes from both camps.
There are many versions of what took place on that day,but my eyes don’t lie,I trained under Dr.Wong in the 80s,we trained
to fight,period,in the 90s things changed(for reasons that will stay in the family)
Dr.Wong has put out many strong and great fighters,he may disigree but IMHO most of them came from the 80s group.
I was the only one there from the 80s group when this took place.
There were also many Chattanooga Policman(SWAT/EOD),some high level that didn’t want to be invoved because of their jobs.
Had this happened in the 80s(IMHO) the “Fat man” would have never reached my Sifu,he would NEVER made it through my Si-Hings.
Am I quaified to understand passive-agressive behavior when I see it or read it?
Yes I am.
You responed to my post about Dr.Wong going to China after the “Film festible”
He was not hurt,a bruise,a scratch,then you made the analogy
of the Ali-Frazier fight,I don’t have the time to recall your exact words but from what I can remember you said that Ali,banged up,went on to his normal life.
The “fat man”,unlike Joe Frazier had to check into a hospital and suffered seizures(I saw him recive a hard shot to the head which swelled up the size of a golf ball),the “fat man” responded to me with threats from his laywer.
Well,I have no fear of his laywer,cuz I know mine is better.
And I also have the hopital documents to back it up.
Water under the bridge.
I’m not the kind of person to put anyone on a pedastol(typo),whether it be my WT instructor(which is hated and loved)
or Dr.Wong.
But,I think that is unfair to judge someone who you claim to have never met,maybe you have?
But we have never met.
Your system is Chu-ga?
(this is a high level kung-fu you profess?)
I have a open mind and would like to find out who and what schools teach the real Chu-ga.
If this is secret I understand,what I don’t understand is why you continue to hide behind a name(passive) yet judge others
based on your poor facts(aggresive).
I would welcome a PM from you if this post is not offensive or below your standards so we may discuss this matter futher without all of the misapprehension
Peace.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by tnwingtsun
[B]Cloud
Tnwinsing,
Hi bro!
Are you coming to the annual pak mei founder celebration this year?
peace.
Tnwingtsun - I have seen four versions of this tape,yes,I was there when this took place,were you? … information is distorted by doctored tapes from both camps.
I was not there, my friend, as you surely must know. I have seen two altered versions and I thank you most kindly for the information regarding the total number of edited versions being four. Your willingness to confess that both sides of this affair are guilty of altering the video recorded truth of the matter speaks to a high level of honesty, my friend. I bow in your direction.
Tnwingtsun - Had this happened in the 80s(IMHO) the “Fat man” would have never reached my Sifu,he would NEVER made it through my Si-Hings.
Ah yes, yet more honesty. How this thing happened has always been a matter of much speculation, my friend.
Tnwingtsun - Am I quaified to understand passive-agressive behavior when I see it or read it? Yes I am.
Perhaps you are and perhaps you are not, my friend. Qualifications are often times relative, would you not agree, my friend?
Tnwingtsun - The “fat man”, … suffered seizures (I saw him recive a hard shot to the head which swelled up the size of a golf ball),
Seizure is not the typical response to head trauma that presents as edema outside of the brain cavity proper, my friend. Howsoever, your words, thus far, ring true and I will accept your diagnosis as stated.
Tnwingtsun - … the “fat man” responded to me with threats from his laywer.
This too conforms to what his standard operating procedure would dictate and, therefore, I believe it to be true as well.
Tnwingtsun - And I also have the hopital documents to back it up.
I find it interesting that you were able to obtain a copy of his medical records, my friend. Am I correct in believing that you have a copy of his hospital emergency room [Admit and Discharge Summary], my friend? If so, and you obtained said copy without the fat one having signed an Authorization to Release Information form …
Tnwingtsun - But,I think that is unfair to judge someone who you claim to have never met,…
Rather hypocritical of you to make such a statement after having publicly declaring yourself qualified to make a psychiatric diagnosis based on forum posts and terming me [passive-aggressive], would you not agree, my friend?
Tnwingtsun - … I don’t understand is why you continue to hide behind a name(passive) yet judge others
based on your poor facts(aggresive).
That is the whole of your diagnostic criteria, my friend? You have misrepresented yourself and you expertise, would you not agree, my friend?
I will send you a PM as you have suggested, my friend. Please allow me to state for the public record that your accounting of unfortunate event does, in fact, ring true. Let me also state that you, and your brothers, remained silent on this matter for far too long and did your Sifu, your hand, and the greater Hakka martial arts community a great disservice. When the fat one made the altered video tapes public and violated his agreement with Dr. Wong, all of you, in unison, should have immediately stepped forward and declared the truth of the matter. Instead, you were content to remain in the shadows and allow the misrepresentation of the incident go unchallenged. Therefore, a false and manufactured picture of what occurred was allowed to grow and disseminate. Your actions, or more properly, your lack of action, was shameful in the extreme. Please do not bother to post that your actions were in accordance with the wishes of your Sifu, my friend. That would be a rather lame excuse suitable and plausible for a beginning student but not one that rings true for one with your experience and knowledge that your Sifu, as all men, has feet of clay.
Peace to you as well, my friend.
Cannibalism is unequivocally a valid dynamic for all societies. I am, Hideous.