How many empty hand sets comprise most Bak Mei studies? Four? Eight? What are they called?
MSM
bak mei sets
well i know someone that has around 40 sets altogether HAND SET that is.
i think the clc clan may have 15-18 hand sets of pak mei that are taught out today. i could be wrong! look at the clc clan site! or other bak mei sites, there is different bak mei popping up everywhere these days. 
peace
Bak Mei sets
There are only two pure Bak Mei sets, Gow Bo Toi (9 step push) and Sap Bat Mor Kiu (18 Touching Bridges). The others are created by Cheung Lai Chuen or adopted from his other martial arts styles.
there are 5 original Bak Mei sets…
and the Sup Bat Mor Kiu isn’t one of them…
apparently clc learnt many forms from monk chuk fat wan. mung fu chut lum, sup bat mor kuil, gou bou toy, jik bo kuen, are the so called core forms of bak mei, the rest was mixed with lung ying pai. clc recreated the bak mei system by adding dragon style, because of his close friend ship and training with lam yui gwa, and called himself grandmaster of bak mei.
there are many stories about this, who knows and who will tell the TRUTH!!! 
peace
The Fact
A little more specific (but in brief)
Chueng Lai Chun Studied Li Gar Style then Village(Beggar’s) Style and some Lung Ying. Thereafter he met a student of monk until he then studied only 3 yrs with the monk(whom was very old already at the time) learning sets Gau Bo Tui, Meng Fu Chut Lum and Sup Bat Mor Kiu.
As a result Chueng Lai Chun consolidated his skills and thus many forms based on his other studies were correlated with the Bai Mei. As an example Chut Sup Yi Dai Sat Kuen & Sam Mun Kuen is Li Gar Style as is the Stick sets.
Peace
Hi Shaolin master,
This is the same story that I was told. Good to hear that other lineages also practice Sam Moon kuen. Some people say that this form is Lung Ying because of the beginning. But I was always told that it is Lee Gar. We also practice 2 lee gar stick forms and 3 Lee Gar two person stick sets. I believe that the Tiger fork form (daai pah) is also from Lee Gar. I like the lee Gar forms very much because of their practicallity. No flashy moves but all very effective.
As for the Pak Mei forms, until recently I had never heard of Ng Hang Mor. But now you and some other pak mei practitioners here on this board write about it. and last month I also received an old article in which it is mentioned. But you don’t mention it above in the Pak Mei forms. So I’m getting curious. Is this form Pak Mei? Or is it a combination of Pak Mei and Lung Ying made by CLC?
Regards, Lau (lalau88@hotmail.com
Seems Ng Hung Mor is very much from the Post CLC Period…
Sup Bat Mor Kiu is from Lung Ying.
72 Dai Sat Kuen is an original BM set.
Meng Fu Chut Lum is a CLC invention.
ShaolinMaster/KungFuLegend/DreamLover- Hat’s off to your books of course, but what do you actually practice? You don’t practice Bak Mei though am I right? Are you part of any lineage? What is it you actually practice, like Cha Kuen, Ng Ying Kuen etc like KFLegend claims?
We all know you are nothing special as a person, so just drop the BS and pick a couple styles that you have proficiency in… Does your teacher realize that someone like yourself has access to these other materials? Does he know that you use the contents of these amalgamated texts to insult lineages you have nothing to do with?
Shaolin Master is correct:
Gau Bo Tui, Mang Fu Chut Lam and Sap Baat Mor Kiu are original Bak Mei sets.
Saam Moon Kuen and Sap Ji Kuen are Lee Family.
I agree with Lau about the practicallity of these sets.
Ng Hang Mor, “5 element rubbing”, also belongs to the original sets of Bak Mei. But this is an advanced form.
Many Bak Mei Sifu teach more sets, especially from Leung Ying. But these sets are for beginners.
All the (original) Bak Mei sets are advanced sets.
Jik Bo Kuen being created as beginners set.
Ling
Ling, lau – who are your teachers, it is good that you are aware of CLC’s diverse background in addition to Bak Mei. Should this forum become a nuisance please email me instead. CLC is a excellent grandmaster with undeniable skills, though he did not teach solely bak mei (as we all know).
MoQ
Can we discuss without the personal problems involved If you see this clearly (without bias) you will know :
Of your 5 Original Bak Mei forms .
Gau Bo Tui
Ying Jow Leen Kiu
Chut Sup Yee Lo Dae Saat Kuen
Chut sup yee lo Tin Gong Kuen
Saam Mun Kuen.
ONLY Gau Bo Tui is ORIGINAL not the others.
You see 72 and Sam mun are concepts of Li Ga Kuen.
If you know Li Gar Kuen then you would know.
In fact Eagle Claw’s and Folding palms are essential components of Li Gar Kuen.
Here is a few more additional points:
Meng Fu Chut Lum is BM 100% in fact it was known as simply Fu Bo Kuen or Fu Kuen in the past.
Sup Bat Mo Kiu : was actually known as Sup Bat Sao, it was original but slighlty modified by CLC and thus the change of name.
Gau Bo Tui is something else as well.
The advanced forms (only 2)well……let’s leave those aside. [For those that know and wish to discuss use email]
Now without revealing too much this is as it is.
FT, so what is yours and your friend’s (AT) ideas here.
What do I practice : I practice Tai Chi and I am only a beginner :).
PS : Interesting thought on Miu Hin, why would a “Buddhist†art be called 18 “Daoist” palms
“Should this forum become a nuisance please email me instead.”
Well, this is certainly cogent advice from the Master. Hell, there are trolls popping up here seemingly every week, then when they’re unmasked, they offer empty half-assed apologies and blame everyone else for their silly behavior. Cogent advice indeed.
BTW, there is no art called “18 Daoist palms”…why are you under the deluded impression that there is? Maybe you should check your reference materials a little more carefully next time.
oops…sorry
Apologies on the 18 daoist palms then (I thought I saw it on some BFP site ).
Your attempts at being coy are even weaker than your attempts at being erudite.
Speaking of websites, when will your’s be finished? And, also, will you have the decency to paraphrase all of the stuff that you post here once you put it on your site, or will you continue to plagarize the text?
Props to you though for learning Tai Chi from a book, I don’t think I could’ve pulled that off.
shaolinmaster
ying jow lin kuil is not original, it is from lung ying pai made from lung ying more kuil.
day sut is not original either!
sarm man or sarm mun baqua isnt original!
he learnt from
lee gar,
low man pai(nomad=gypsy=wanders)
many different dragon masters
also heard he learnt some bfp???
the original forms what i was told is what i already said. fu bo kuen was at one time called mung fu chut lum, that is correct.
clc’s kung fu was the best, he mixed it with everything weapons are from lee gar, and others too.
there is a big influence on dragon in pak mei, thats why it can be crossed trained and many of the clubs clc had opened lam yui gwai taught there to at one stage. so all students learned both styles. many of the last grandmaster know dragon as well as pak mei. when clc went hongkong then he opened bak mei and there was a new sylibus that was different to guangzhou. there was additions to many forms and added forms to it as well.
sm- i have already asked sifu troung about this and he agree’s with me on this. i could be wrong!!!
peace
At what stages do you learn each form?
G’day everyone
This is my first post. I wanted to know when you learn each form and how long it takes to learn a form.
hi pot junkie
i teach in sydney, who do you learn under or do you teach bak mei?
are you a student of sifu andy troung or his sifu?
where do you study, welcome aboard! 
peace
Dan Gig?
Hello all - I used to think Bak Mei was a fairly straight forward style until I logged on here!
Does anyone know where the set “Dan Gig” (aka Dam Kiew) came from? It does not seem Gau Bo Toi-ish in nature (which seems to be the only set people universally agree as being original Bak Mei). It seems closer to LY’s Fah Gig. In fact, it seems several BM sets are named close to their original LY counterpart.
What about “Stone Lion”? If these sets are not original Bak Mei (whatever the hell that is), then CLC must have created them himself, as many of the concepts have been borrowed from Dragon and combined with other arts (Eagle Claw? N. Mantis?).
Has anyone also heard of “poison snake blocks the road” hand set? The more I learn, the more confused I get…
Cheers - kevin
hi kevin!
rock/stone lion or sek see kuen, also known as ying jow sup jee/ dai sup jee.
dan ging- is a nice form. it has a drunken step in it apparently, but a good fighting form.
poisenous snake spits out the tounge or venom?
peace
Thanks for your warm welcome Fierce Tiger
I train under master Chau in Cabramatta. I started in the middle of last year.
Where abouts do you teach?
potjunkie
i teach in the western suburbs, i know your sifu chau fu! he has been a close friend to yau kung mun for many years. his sons came and learnt under me sifu before he came over from vietnam. we are brothers
i am also a gppd friend of sifu troung of wah nam, chau fu’s old students. how is your sifu these days? did they do lion dance this year for the new year festival?
what form you up to? say man lin wan, dan ging, sek see?
talk to ya soon!
peace