http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Nk46g6H2o&feature=related
What’s the lineage of this Sup Gee?..looks a lot different than what I’m being shown in Vancouver through Yip Chi Sum lineage.
More questions to follow.
Peace
doesn’t look like any Sup Ji-for that matter Bak mei, that I’ve ever seen.
His structure seems to not be in alignment with BMP theory.
It might be futsan pak mei… hard to tell… Not like Sek Sze that I know.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;995739]doesn’t look like any Sup Ji-for that matter Bak mei, that I’ve ever seen.
His structure seems to not be in alignment with BMP theory.[/QUOTE]
I read the headlines but had no idea to care, now I’m putting full time all my free time into Bak Mei yall really need to give me the page by page details on the genesis of doo wai and one J. Lacey.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Tosserhand#p/u/2/gw4pasFPfUY
lmao
what an idiot, you’re suppossed to stand and you punch as soon as tension is there…lol
The first one is Cross Fist, Character Ten fist, from Futsan lineage. There are vids you can check out of Zhong Luo on Youtube teaching all of that form step by step. There are also a few vids of him doing demos. There are also vids on Youtube of peeps from Futsan lineage in China doing that form. Different than most all Sup Jee or Sek Sze forms from other Bak Mei lineages.
The second one is the first Bak Mei form, Straight Step Fist, but from Doo Wai lineage. The guy is obviously not doing it properly here because of the steps mainly, and other reasons…A good form though done properly. Not much different than most Jik Bo from other Bak Mei lineages aside from some moves.
[QUOTE=TAO YIN;995856]The first one is Cross Fist, Character Ten fist, from Futsan lineage. There are vids you can check out of Zhong Luo on Youtube teaching all of that form step by step. There are also a few vids of him doing demos. There are also vids on Youtube of peeps from Futsan lineage in China doing that form. Different than most all Sup Jee or Sek Sze forms from other Bak Mei lineages.
The second one is the first Bak Mei form, Straight Step Fist, but from Doo Wai lineage. The guy is obviously not doing it properly here because of the steps mainly, and other reasons…A good form though done properly. Not much different than most Jik Bo from other Bak Mei lineages aside from some moves.[/QUOTE]
I thought it might be Futsan Pak Mei.
There is no Doo Wai lineage of Pak Mei.
It is total fabricated crap unrelated to Pak Mei other than what he learned in a few months from Wilkie Wu in Vancouver. The video demonstrates no understanding of pak mei, simply a mimic of some superficial movement. It is completely different to Jik Bo from real pak mei. Just to be clear on that point. There is no Doo Wai Pak Mei.
But, feel free to call it “white tiger”, I’m fine with that. 
“It is completely different to Jik Bo from real pak mei. Just to be clear on that point.”
No kidding!
No jing, no swallowing or spitting, shoulders too high, no rooting, etc, etc.
Either a beginner or someone that was taught the moves with no intent or perhaps a “video” trainee.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;996453]No jing, no swallowing or spitting, shoulders too high, no rooting, etc, etc.
Either a beginner or someone that was taught the moves with no intent or perhaps a “video” trainee.[/QUOTE]
but WAIT!! The videos introduce him as Grand Master!..
This is Doo Wai kung fu, sometimes called Pak Mei, but following some push back from real Pak Mei people, he changed the name to White Tiger. These are old videos.
There is no skill, other than in the spinning of the story…
LMFAO!!!
Doo studied in HK with you lots hero, CLC. If he also did with WW, then fine. Great for him.
Anyways, so let me get this right…
Lai Yip Jeurng,
Yum Yeurng Kum La Sau,
Bil Jee,
Sut Choy,
Chum Choy Toi,
Kol La Fu Jow,
Gwok Jeurng,
Soy Kuil,
This isn’t principles from Bak Mei Jik Bo?
Out of curiosity,
I have heard the story a few times around the world of Doo being asked to change the name. I don’t know the extent of the truth with all of it since the name has been BFP for as long as he has been known to the media since, the 60s.
Anyways,
Why didn’t Futsan Bak Mei from the other line get pushed to change their name back in the day???
doo was crap when he started and he is crap now.
i say this because he is such a pathetic liar and now he is fashioning himself as a medicine man.
lord knows what sort of damage he’ll do there.
he’s a case study of fraudulent kungfu “masters” though.
nuff said.
anyone who doesn’t like that can blow me. 
Oh! Well, I could care less if he lies or embellishes. He’s Chinese…:eek:
He’s been both a kung fu and TCM man all along.
Seriously, without flaming and trolling. What is wrong with his internal fu?
Better yet, why is his medicine bad??? What contraindications occur? What messes up the yin and yang organs? He’s a fuucking licensed TCM doctor…
Noone is going to blow you. Don’t worry so much.
[QUOTE=TAO YIN;996741]
Noone is going to blow you. Don’t worry so much.[/QUOTE]
story of my life…
[QUOTE=TAO YIN;996682]LMFAO!!!
Doo studied in HK with you lots hero, CLC. If he also did with WW, then fine. Great for him. [/QUOTE]
He told you this? My, what a surprise.
He also got the secret of smoking fingers from him too, I bet. And the 5 finger heart exploding hand? How about the bit where he showed CLC some of his secret family fu, and that is how he created Sub Baat?
I’ve heard it all, and I don’t believe a single word of it. You’re in an unlucky position.
Regardless of what you hope, that sad truth remains, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
Ah well, Yum Cha,
No, he didn’t tell me this. I don’t know the man. I don’t study or practice Bak Fu Pai or Bak Mei Pai for that matter. I follow the internal Yau Kung Mun from Tiat Yun and BJJ, only. That doesn’t mean that I can’t read and research. For the sake of modern historical study, let’s let all the cats out of the bags…
Isn’t Doo-- Wilkie Wu anyways? Wasn’t that the story here about 8 years back or so? That his real name was Wilkie Wu, and that after some triad nastyness, his wife and child got killed, and he fled to America??? This was the story spouted about 8 years back. Good story until everyone realizes, or had realized, that Wilkie Wu was and is a real person living in Canada, who never fled Canada…
I digress…
Wasn’t it Wai’s father who studied at the same temple as CLC? Who knows? All hearsay until someone comes up with concrete evidence. Wasn’t it CLC who studied at that temple? Who knows? All hearsay until someone comes up with concrete evidence.
Did Wai study with CLC in Hong Kong? Who knows? All hearsay until someone comes up with concrete evidence. CLC would have been 70 or so when Doo went there. But, many people for back then to now have said yes on both sides apparently… If you really want to know, (which I don’t), take CBL a picture and see how he reacts. Seriously, see how he psychologically reacts…
But, why would CBF and CBL call Doo Wai, which they did according to most involved apparently (No I wasn’t there), and ask him not to call what he was teaching in his $$$ videotape, Bak Mei? Why would they even know who he was??? That was the case according to most on both sides. That was back in the late 80s mind you, not the late 50s.
If you go to Guangzhou and ask people, they don’t know. If you go to Foshan and ask people, they don’t know too. If you go to Hong Kong and ask people, they will just say no, or they don’t know too…
The point here, is that noone who really knows about these things ever says ANYTHING about it. I’m talking people who were alive then, training in the 50s and 60s.
Me questioning in any of this has nothing to do with what Chinese Kung Fu men say about each other and their lineages. I couldn’t give a shiit about all of that because I know how important lineage, legend, and mah jong is to Chinese Kung Fu men. I couldn’t give a shiit who studied with who, for how long, and all of that other useless Bullshiit.
My questioning is more physical if you will. AND my question is,
WHY WOULD DOO WAI KNOW EVERY BAK MEI FORM AND JONG JUST AS IT WAS TAUGHT IN HONG KONG AT THAT TIME??? WHY??? More importantly, HOW???
If you choose to believe, pay your money and take your chances.
Its not about ‘politics’ its about Buyer Beware. Plain and simple.
Are you talking to me or everyone? Because me personally…I am not buying ANYTHING without bargaining (lived in China too long), and if I am talking to a Chinese Kung Fu Man Sifu…I’ll bargain and ask them all kinds of nasty little questions, in their own language no less. This usually gets “them” to walk the other way quickly, (especially the language bit), and fumble around in their pockets for half a dozen smokes (glad I quit)…
The question stays,
Why would Wai have complete knowledge and understanding of the entire Bak Mei system???
Was he the first home video student of Bak Mei back in the days or some shiit? hehehe!
Didn’t this start out about Pak Mei? Or have I picked up the wrong magazine again?
- Doo Wai is a joke.
- Yau Kung is a joke.
- Being able to speak Chinese is as necessary to understand Chinese boxing as quadratic equations are to an earthworm.
- Cats dont get into bags unless someone puts them in there in the first place
- This is probably all stuff I ‘heard’.