CLOUD ONE
Hi Cloud, long time no here!
well like i said ive never seen tremor or felt but the rest shock power, sinking, thrusting, spirling, springy, neutralizing etc all used in deiferent stages and training development yes.
untill i see it i may know of it but im still not sure about this power! Most here have heard but never seen as well.
hopefully i will feel it and see one day.
FT:)
kei lun
Concerning the banner you spoke of, is that the âBâ in the Yang Yin circle? That was sent to us by the school in Guangzhou to use.
I will ask sifu about the associations you mentioned, I believe he used to train with the sons of Leung Sui Hoy under Leung Sui Hoy, and he came to Australia just after his death.
EAZ - just get an assignment down here for a few weeks and weâll look after youâŚ<grin>
hello gents
incedently is there a chinese name for the equivalent to the almighty"trremmorrrr gginnnggg".
me personaly i believe in dr wong he can through 15 guys with an inch,just like superman and can stick like spiderman but his classes are like the boy wondersâŚ
eaz,i thought you were cool and intellegent but youâve been soc sao in by impractical internet form fairies.
hide,whats your input to âtremmmmmor gingâ?i think its wonderful,just before the come down.
Sui - me personaly i believe in dr wong he can through 15 guys with an inch,just like superman and can stick like spiderman but his classes are like the boy wondersâŚ
Ah yes, wonderful parlor tricks based on carefully constructed shapes subject to the laws of brother Newton. With Superman, Spiderman, and Boy Wonders [Plural, no less], the Marvel(ous) action heroes group is almost fully assembled, would you not agree?
Sui - eaz,i thought you were cool and intellegent but youâve been soc sao in by impractical internet form fairies.
Form Fairies? I like that as it shows that even the comic book heroes of Marvel are capable of expanding their membership. There is much hope for all cults. Tell me Sui, do these Form Fairies have delicate and pretty uniforms made of silk and satin that go [Swoosh] when they madly and purposelessly swirl about?
Sui - hide,whats your input to âtremmmmmor gingâ?
I tremor at the mere thought of it.
Sui - i think its wonderful,just before the come down.
Without a doubt Sui, without a doubt 
earth-you are of but not in it.lol but what can i say about their membership accept.lol
i think that[SWOOSH] is that same sound when tremmorr ginnng is vailed with silk,how dangermouse?
LOL hahaha
welcome back sui, hideious!
De Je Vue
ROTFL! Iâm not saying anything!
Fiercest Tiger:
You asked the effects of Shock and Tremor power on the opponent, not what they are. Like I said before shock power is for Âgpenetrating strikesÂh, and tremor power is a Âgrepulsive forceÂh (a push, or good to get out of kum-la situations). What I mean by that is that when someone puts a ÂglockÂh on you, tremor power makes it impossible for them to hold on, even after they have done the technique. So thatÂfs what it does to the opponent. ÂgWhat it isÂh, as you know is too much and too tough to convey accurately in words.
The Ying Jau Leem Kiu was adopted into Bak Mei by CLC, so he changed it to the version you saw/did. On the other side, Lam Yiu Kwai took one form from Bak Mei, Man Foo Ha San, and changed it to suit his Lung Ying style. 1 for 1. However, they didnÂft use these forms in KwangTung, only when they left to HK, so many of the KwangTung lines of Dragon and Bak Mei donÂft have these adopted forms.
Cloud One:
ÂgFaat GingÂh means Âgexert powerÂh. So it applies to any power of any style, it is not a power itself.
Siu:
The name for tremor power is Sai Dong Ging. That Âgtremor powerÂh term was started by Dr. Wong. I donÂft know how to say Sai Dong Ging in English. One Sifu called it Âgdog shaking powerÂh, as itÂfs a bit like when a dog comes out of the water and shakes himself off.
Kei Lun
I canÂft sleep so Ill write a bit more.
Geng Ging, shock power, is over a short distance, however that doesnÂft mean its only for short arm techniques, as it comes from the body and out through the arms. What happens is like when you flip the end of a carpet, the wave goes through and along it, then the end snaps out. That is what the body does, the shock runs up through the spine and explodes out through the arms. If one were to do it slowly it looks
Sai Dong Ging: tremor power, is like an incredible Âgvibration forceÂh that goes in all directions. ThatÂfs why I said it is a repulsive force, anything that touches you when you exert this force is basically repulsed. If you look to Chen Tai Ji, in their Âgpow choeiÂh form (the second one) they have a force quite similar in appearance to this. It looks very close, but to a bit of a more subtle degree. You must have seen pushhands demos where the opponent goes flying far back, well this is pretty much what Sai Dong Ging is.
For both of the powers, the more internal you get, the less externally visible it becomes.
Kei Lun
fiercest tiger - welcome back sui, hideious!
Even as a good Taoist, I cannot come back to where I have not before been. Yet, the sentiment expressed is welcomed. The YKM Pai is appropriately acknowledged and appreciated within circles consisting of those whose opinions I value.
Cannibalism is unequivocally a valid dynamic for all societies. I am, Hideous.
hi
Hi Kei Lun,
If you donât mind telling us, what LY form is the current manifestation of Mang Foo Ha San?
Cheers!
Hideous
Thanks for the berakdown although i really dont think that this Tremor Ging is against grappling only! WHY would a pak mei high level training be to shake someone off them if grabbed when they know the hands are skilled to attack and pak mei kum la sau can equal that of any other kum la sau fighter? You know what i mean? Even ju jitsu players can get out of holds and grabs and they dont have TREMOR ging.
The push hands game is just that a Game and i see more people use external force and leverage to bounce people away then use shock/spring/tremor or the faat ging like in taiji.
When i was taught to train ging, the whole body luk ging is used with sudden release of breath and chi with the mind to explode. My whole body vibrates/tremors is this the same? The hands have 6 types of powers,Do you know anything about this?
thanks again
Garry FT
Sorry Hideous that or those questions were for kei lung.
Hideous, what taoist sect do you belong to? just curious
c-ya
FT
FT - Hideous, what taoist sect do you belong to? just curious
The answer to that question would depend on the time of day, the time of season, and the time of life
Cannibalism is unequivocally a valid dynamic for all societies. I am, Hideous.
hey whats wrong being me,you should be honoured my freind/foe;)
i can tremor if i want to:D
hideous
so your a taoist at heart and you really dont belong to a sect ot certain temple i take it?
Tremor
FT, Sui, Kei Lun
I have spoken with an old Tai Chi player who referenced the Tremor power as a shaking off or repulsing force too.
Iâve always attirbuted it to the collective martial arts/chi gung world, like 5 elements, as opposed to Pak Mei specifically. Now that I know âSai Dong Gingâ perhaps Sifu will have something to offer.
âShaking dogâ power makes me think of the signature move in Mam Fu Chit Lum thoughâŚ
Then again, perhaps thatâs just my poor executionâŚ<grin>
repulsive
I have repulsive ging after a night on grog!:eek:
Fajing from taiji is the body shaking the waiste and hips. ykm internal has this fajing with cotton palm training but i call it vibrating kinda like tremor or taiji fajing,
thanx
Gazza:)
Ao Qin:
Its called Man Foo Ha San, they didnÂft change the name. I donÂft know it but I saw it at a Dragon Performance Gala in HK a few years ago. It doesnÂft look like the Bak Mei form, and of course it has the same dragon opening. Cheung Kwok Tai was there too, ask him.
Fierciest Tiger:
Sorry, you just donÂft get it. If you think its easy to verbalize internal mechanics you try it. It has nothing to do with what you just talked about.
Yes, the hands do have 6 powers, as do the other parts, including the head.
And Fajing is mandarin for Faat Ging, they both simply mean to Âgexert powerÂh, it is not the name of a power.
Kei Lun