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Black and Blue asks:

Have any of you guys ever been in a real fight? I sometimes wonder

Answer: Does one absolutely have to have a disease to learn
self defense against it? But to answer your question-
There is a danger of sounding self serving…but the short answer
is yes…in several countries-including yours. Foolishness of youth-
wrong time wrong places. Since then- avoidance or keeping it more brief..minimizing escalation. The other guy(s) went to the ground everytime except once when pulled by one guy in a group from the back. I was taking care of the guy in the front.Rolled out got back up-took care of the situation.In some of these my life was in danger.Apart from these personal encounters-have seen more real(hand to hand) fights in civil war and war than most VN vets have seen.
If you think that bjj will prepare you for gravel, black top, rocks,
small bar, multiple opponents-good luck. make sure you have a nice mat and thick gis when you go for it.And make sure you work out with guys who know what tapping out means.:frowning:

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Journalist?

No wonder you must learn to defend yourself against physical attack!!

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B&B, saying you are starting to doubt whether we have been in fights isnt fair. How many fights before you “know” what you are talking about? What qualifies as a fight? I was in the marine corp for 4 years, fighting is unavoidable, I never went to the ground. Doesnt mean I wont train for it. I work security for aplace in the fall that recquires I regularly wrestle drunks to the ground or drag them out kicking and screaming, hasnt been a year gone by yet that I havent had to do this, still havent gone to the ground. I will train for it though.
Experience isnt always the answer.

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Never

Q. “How many fights before you ‘know’ what you are talking about.”

A. 1 fight or 1,000 fights, no one ever truly “knows”. But the more you encounter, the more you see, the more you realise you’ve got to be as prepared as possible.

Running is def. my favourite technique. There are times when you want to test the WC you have, but a crazy, tatooed, 250lb Neo-Nazi (as one example) ISN’T the person to be messing with.

As said before, I’ll do anything to avoid going down. I know a guy that was approached by a small group of people. One asked him for the time, and as he looked at his watch, the guy smashed an unopened can of Coke into his face (busting the nose, damaging the eye).

As he fell down, the gang had five seconds of fun kicking him in the head, ribs, legs, before running off with his wallet and £7 in cash.

I’m not so sure how to handle that type of attack :frowning:

But, for example, anyone working a door and thus been in many punching matches, will tell you big guys just want to crush you. They ain’t gonna do this with butterfly kicks from a distance.

Fights are messy - none of this Bruce Lee sh*t :slight_smile: People like to headbutt, kick in the shins, grab you and start shaking you (!), bearhug you, trip you. All from about 2 inches away as they spit abuse in your face.

Hmmm. Fighting. Good, clean, family fun! :slight_smile:

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Agreed, no matter how many fights it is hard to say what an expert is on the subject. And fights are always messy…

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Thanks for the reply Sabu

Originally posted by Sabu
[B]My apologies Planet. I did not mean to seem condescending or to give the impression that I was gloating. But you are almost correct, I did mistake this forum, but for a BJJ forum.

The mount? Is it being suggested that in order to train for the ground, you must assume the mount??? That would be BJJ’s method at training the ground, not Wing Chun’s. Hence the difference in the name. Don’t forget that BJJ trains to be on the floor, Wing Chun does not. So why get comfortable there unless you’re waiting for some birthday wacks.

And please do not forget that Wing Chun IS a complete system, not a subsidiary of another art. Also, it is not an amalgamation of various subsidiaries of other arts.

“Hope this helps” [/B]

This reply does help.

I would look to the mount in terms of someone trying to obtain that position on me and dealing with them getting attempting to rain down punches. Would I enjoy being in that situation? Nope.
Which is why I was wondering what, if any, situational training others are doing.

I’ve never heard a Wing Chun term for the positions mentioned. They are known now to most folks with an interest in fighting and are probably something opponents would want to do to you. So it is convenient to use BJJ terminology in the face of our art not having that term.

The natural response of a Wing Chun fighter would be to NOT want to roll on the ground etc. And if it did happen to get up quickly to stay in our optimum range. However, how many of us train to deal with “Murphy” and get out of those sitautions when you are on the ground and want to get up, yet someone would rather you stay there? :slight_smile:

That would imply having someone take you there or starting there and working your way through with Wing Chun principles on getting back up.

Say someone gets through your defense and performs a single leg and they are proceeding to blast through your legs to get Mount to rain down an ungodly amount of punches. Or they are simply getting ready to armlock or armbar you.

The ground is a likely place one could end up being, given that we are normally standing on it. Of course we might prefer that we are always standing and our opponent is on it in a horizontal position watching little birds flying around his head.

Like so: :confused:

:smiley:

WT has it’s “antigrappling” training. I was wondering what other instructors are teaching if anything.