Checked out your site - very nice. Before I begin, this isn’t an attack on Sifu Fong - despite how it looks. If I had the opportunity to train with your Sifu I’m sure I would jump at the chance. ![]()
But… with regards that pesky dummy form arguement…
On your site there’s an interview with Sifu Fong. He says: “In my time, I have seen many styles and forms but when I do Wing Chun, I teach what has come down from Yip Man through Ho Kam Ming to me.”
So I have to ask, Joy, does Sifu Fong teach the Yip Man dummy form in addition to his own interpretation of the form, or just his own version? Which of the two have you learnt, or have you learned both?
By the bye, I have no problem with his reasons for making adjustments, but if he does so, surely his students can’t complain about other branches/styles of WC making modifications (I think Old Jong was having a bash at the influence of MMA on today’s WC).
On the same thread, you said: “ULTIMATELY- who decides what changes are acceptable- you do-but caveat emptor… avoid the Scylla of innovation for its own sake or out of ignorance and the Charybdis of robotic imitation.”
And later said: “Come to think of it- i wish most wing chun folks would defect to bjj and the lion’s den. They havent learned enough wing chun any way.”
These are two comments that infuriate me! “Innovation for its own sake” and the notion that “they (a poss. ref to groups such as my own - Kamon Wing Chun - where our Sifu studies, successfully, BJJ) havent learned enough wing chun any way”, smacks of arrogance and ignorance.
My Sifu teaches in a very realistic manner. He’s well aware of what works and what doesn’t, and what is needed in a real comabative situation. If he incorporates some BJJ (and as posted before, the concepts of center line, use of relaxation etc, remain), he does so not out of a ‘lack of knowledge’ or for ‘its own sake’, but because he’s imparting skills that are required. He has gleaned this knowledge for practical experience, not the ever-safe confines of a training hall, as is so common with today’s self defence courses.
WC is a fantastic fighting system, and its concepts ‘can’, I believe, be applied for all areas, distances of fighting. Some arts specialise in ground work. If the concepts/principles behind such arts (ie. BJJ) are complementary to WC, why not use them.
I’ve asked before, but no one cares to answer, how often do you train ground work, the clinch etc, in training? How often do put your students under pressure by pairing them up with larger opponents and starting from the clinch, where distance has already been covered/the gap bridged? (bridged to the extent that your opponent’s face is 8 inches from your own)
IMHO, and it really is humble :), one shouldn’t assume that those who practise WC and BJJ are lacking in WC confidence or WC knowledge.
Perhaps, just perhaps, these are people that understand the brutality of fighting a little better than yourself, Joy. You’ve been training since the 70s you say. Maybe you still retain the 1970s attitute?
As you indicated, back them no one knew how to spell Ros Grazie ![]()