So why did you close JJJ’s Kung Fu weapons topics. Some of us consider modern firearms a necesary part of our training. Or am I the only guy who lives in a place where people don’t fight with swords and spears anymore?
You may take my life, but you will never take my Freedom
[This message was edited by Water Dragon on 10-18-01 at 02:35 PM.]
Guns != Martial Arts.
Guns = Lazy Arts.
Unless you’re learning to disarm people or something.
I’m a great shot, but I don’t consider it to be an art…
No, guns = necesary skill
You may take my life, but you will never take my Freedom
Maybe the mod doesn’t like mini 14…
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I agree. No one fights with swords or nunchakus or whip chains anymore. Its either knives, some sort of stick (bat etc.) or knife or fist.
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Soy, how much time, per month, do you spend shooting?
JWT
If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV
Soy, how can you discredit firearms?
Sure you can train disarming a firearem forever, but if you still don’t know how to use one your Fuked.
“Life’s a great adventure, mate.”
Jacko Jackson
[This message was edited by Johnny Hot Shot on 10-18-01 at 02:51 PM.]
So you don’t think Kung Fu and firearms have anything in common? Try watching The Matrix sometime! Anyhow I did not know Glock Fu questions were forbidden. So if anyone else has info on this model or the mini 30 send me an email:
"It's not really NHB because they won't let me bring a platoon of Navy SEAL's with Blackhawk fire support into the ring!"
-WatchmanI didnt mean to discredit firearms.
They are the most powerfull weapon, obviously.
I don’t like them, and I don’t own one.
I havent shot one in atleast a year, but I’m pretty well versed on shooting.
The human race really should learn to stop being stupid, killing each other so easily.. start learning to be nice to each other, and enjoy what little time we have on earth.
Or not, who cares anyways.. :rolleyes:
Soy, there’s a difference between what should be and what is.
Yo Moderators!!! WTF?!?!?!?
You may take my life, but you will never take my Freedom
water dragon, you want some cheese with your whine?
field and stream might have a forum for you!
Guns have nothing to do with Kung Fu beyond being a major contributing factor in their downfall amongst the populace.
peace
Kung Lek
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Guns have EVERYTHING to do with kung fu!
We should know the weapons of today, and we should also know the mentality of those that use them!
Kunk Lek, I usually support you, but you are way off base there.
Shooting has a great deal to do with skill aquired through hard work. It’s true, anyone can pick up a gun and pull the trigger. But just as anyone can throw out their arm for a punch, without propper practice and good instruction, it is unlikely that the action will produce a reliable, predictable result. In fact, most police officers who shoot regularly are unable to reliably hit a human silloette moving at running speed only 15 feet away. What does that say out guns and shooting.
Like all things, it takes good equipment, proper practice, and good instruction. And practice, practice, practice. Professional shooters are at the range every single week, using both skill training drills and “reality” shooting to improve their skill.
Quick draw artists and long range shooters both speek of a “zen” like state while shooting. In quick draw shooting, the signal to fire is a light bulb lighting up. Then you shoot as many times into a target as possible. The difference in times for shooters is measured in milliseconds. The greatest, fastest shooters prepare by staring at a light bulb. They say that when they have achieved the appropriate state of mind, they can actually see the light bulb lighting up. Most of us just see the light bulb light up. But they have reached a state in their brain where they see the filiment heat up, brightening the air inside the bulb, and then lighting up.
Both also study body position and breathing with great scrutiny.
JWT
If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV
Guns have nothing to do with Kung Fu beyond being a major contributing factor in their downfall amongst the populace.
You may take my life, but you will never take my Freedom
[This message was edited by Kung Lek on 10-19-01 at 08:11 PM.]
http://www.wingchunkuen.com/journal/columns/parriski/xtraining01_firearms.shtml
You may take my life, but you will never take my Freedom
The very term martial arts implies that firearms should be studied. In fact, I would go so far as to say only a lazy martial artist would ignore them as a weapon.
I study the staff and the spear, chain whip, nunchaku, three section staff, sword, etc, but I also pay just as much attention, if not more, to the knife and gun. At the very least, anyone who considers themselves a “martial artist” should at least be able to follow basic safety rules, and be able to load or unload a weapon. A higher level would be empty handed defenses at close-quarte range against a firearm, and even higher, tactical firearm usage. Guns are a lot more than a point-and-click interface.
Maybe you don’t think guns are worth your time to learn, but that doesn’t mean when someone suggests it as a field of study it should be scoffed at and written off.
Kung Lek, I would hope that as a moderator, you’d be able to see past your biases and let intellegent conversations continue. It’s a much better alternative than 50 “Who is the best Tekken 3 character” and “Wang Shu Jin vs. Ralph Macchio” threads.
On a similar note, I used to respect Robert Smith until I read the JAMA article in which he basically said guns are for the lazy, let’s melt them all down and hold hands while singing round the campfire. It was completely out of the blue and had nothing to do with his life as a martial artist. He used JAMA to push his half-baked political beliefs. If Robert Smith ever tries to take my guns, I’ll shoot his circle walking ass. :eek:
Ok, point taken.
But, I wonder how many ofyou learn “practical shooting” in your Kung Fu curriculums?
I took a practical shooting course, I also hold a firearms safety cert, and firearms acquisition cert.
I do not own any firearms at all. I also practice classical weapons.
And I agree that firearms are “martial” in context to the modern world.
But, the original post was concerning where to get guns and not how they relate to the training of a Kung Fu system.
As far as I know, you can’t buy guns from an online martial arts supplier and for the most part I’m willing to bet that none of your teachers offer extensive training in the use of firearms.
BTW, Is that Rovere in those pics? if so, I really like what he is propogating these days. Interesting guy to say the least.
p.s wu de, it is bad form to start a stupid topic and then complain about it 
peace
Kung Lek
JJJ,
Go to this site: http://www.tacticalforums.com/. Post your question there and you’ll get some good advice.
ah but that is a very different song than “guns are killing kung fu and are for lazy folk.”
Guns probably WOULD be sold through martial arts catalogs if the BATF didn’t have silly laws prohibiting mail-order firearms purchases. Although given the quality of weapons I see in most MA stores, I certainly wouldn’t buy a gun there. 
I think the original post was thoughtful in a strange way. And it certainly has made people think about other “martial weapons.”
After I posted my rant, I decided that a wsj v rm thread was too good to pass up.
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Wrestlers do (D’oh!) 
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I just wanted to chime in agreeing about firearms being MA-related. My brother and I joke around and say that if ninja still offered their “services” they would definitely be incorporating guns into their bag o’ tricks because of their efficiency.
Saying guns aren’t kung fu-related is like the short people on a basketball court (me :p) saying, “No dunking! That’s not fair!”