http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuVhGKEIcxE
An example of what I like to see and a Sifu doing what I aspire to in how I now train.
skills
Thats some groovy stuff. It looks like hybrid stuff to me, some chin na with jjj, maybe some Bjj?
Anybody know exactly what it is?
LOL… this is called “fighting skills”??? looks pretty useless to me. 
[QUOTE=uki;979057]LOL… this is called “fighting skills”??? looks pretty useless to me. :)[/QUOTE]
Uki,
Every time you pass judgement, a kitten dies…
Merry Christmas! 
[QUOTE=uki;979057]LOL… this is called “fighting skills”??? looks pretty useless to me. :)[/QUOTE]
They are actually fighting skills. Not useless at all. Almost every technique involved here can be found in Jap Jujitsu. So it is pretty much exactly what is written above the video. With exception of BJJ, which is nothing more than a take off on Jap jujitsu. These skills can be used to break limbs, strangle a person, either to submit or to injure them or even kill them. Designed to over power power itself. I have 4 black belts in Jap Jujitsu. There are only like 60 different techniques, but I have up to a dozen variations of each one, making more than 600 moves total. Something to fit any situation or any sized fellow. Not only does Jujitsu have all these same moves, it has a multitude of strikes and kicks, using all the same pressure points of any other system. In most cases you can remain standing while applying takedowns and or disabling techniques.
Jujitsu is not my choice of self defense in most cases, but it has served me well during my lifetime. I highly recommend it. It is very good when you do not wish to injure or maim someone.
LCP
how do one get 4 black belts? 4 different styles of jj? Did you start at white belt with all 4 of them?
more importantly, do you wear all 4 at the same time, or do u have just one, VERY thick belt to indicate your rank?
[QUOTE=MightyB;979054]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuVhGKEIcxE
An example of what I like to see and a Sifu doing what I aspire to in how I now train.[/QUOTE]
This isn’t “traditional kungfu”. It’s good martial arts yes. But it’s not traditional Chinese martial arts. It’s BJJ and grappling. Nothing wrong with that. I like to train it myself. But it is what it is, and it’s not what it’s not.
And Uki… it’s far from useless bro. You take that sort of grappling skill, mix in some Kino Mutai (biting and gouging skill) like Paul Vunak teaches (sortof like your “tiger” thing) and you have dynamite stuff.
[QUOTE=Eddie;979064]how do one get 4 black belts? 4 different styles of jj? Did you start at white belt with all 4 of them?/QUOTE]
I think he might mean 4th degree.
[QUOTE=dimethylsea;979067]And Uki… it’s far from useless bro. You take that sort of grappling skill, mix in some Kino Mutai (biting and gouging skill) like Paul Vunak teaches (sortof like your “tiger” thing) and you have dynamite stuff.[/QUOTE]i hear ya, but i like twisting thorns… in that clip i saw so many opportunities to mangle the other person.
LOL… this is called “fighting skills”??? looks pretty useless to me.
baited as usual. grappling as useless?, lol, have you ever actually done any grappling uki? besides the drunken brawl outside the trailer park with the police during the filming of COPS.
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;979112]have you ever actually done any grappling uki? [/QUOTE]is this a trick question??
[QUOTE=uki;979057]LOL… this is called “fighting skills”??? looks pretty useless to me. :)[/QUOTE]
bro, w/all due respect, it’s good grappling skill; some of it is obviously compliant, and obviously it does not contain elements of striking or the sorts of things that you favor; that said, it is a solid foundation on top of which these things can be added, if such is one’s desire, because the basic principles of positioning, leverage, timing, key points of control, etc. are all there;
I can understand the perspective that it looks “useless”, but having myself spent even just a short time experiencing that particular environment, I can appreciate why it is a useful skill set to obtain, even if one is not inclined to roll on the ground;
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;979118]bro, w/all due respect, it’s good grappling skill; some of it is obviously compliant, and obviously it does not contain elements of striking or the sorts of things that you favor; that said, it is a solid foundation on top of which these things can be added, if such is one’s desire, because the basic principles of positioning, leverage, timing, key points of control, etc. are all there;
I can understand the perspective that it looks “useless”, but having myself spent even just a short time experiencing that particular environment, I can appreciate why it is a useful skill set to obtain, even if one is not inclined to roll on the ground;[/QUOTE]thank you for your input… perhaps i should clairify “useless”, which is not being in the actual skill itself, but the fact that in these clips, it shows them that they work in a civilized enviroment… i believe it’s a bit mis-leading.
[QUOTE=uki;979092]i hear ya, but i like twisting thorns… in that clip i saw so many opportunities to mangle the other person. :)[/QUOTE]
Uki,
Are you familiar with BJJ’s positional dominance theory?
I.e. the various mounts and so forth?
[QUOTE=dimethylsea;979122]Uki,
Are you familiar with BJJ’s positional dominance theory?
I.e. the various mounts and so forth?[/QUOTE]are you familiar with it doesn’t matter if your face is torn off?? lose blood… lose life.
[QUOTE=uki;979121]thank you for your input… perhaps i should clairify “useless”, which is not being in the actual skill itself, but the fact that in these clips, it shows them that they work in a civilized enviroment… i believe it’s a bit mis-leading. :)[/QUOTE]
it’s not an inappropriate argument - there are various schools of thought (e.g. - Dog Brothers, and some other groups whose names I can’t recall) that pose the need to recreate the conditions of combat as much as possible in order to give students experience dealing with adrenaline dump and all that (something that “sport” competition can create to a certain degree) - so they train as “live” under “pressure” as possible in order to condition that response; of course, some people have been provided the opportunity in life to have had that occur through their own experiences, and the knowledge that they can respond predictably under those situations can certainly be an edge over one who is untested in that regard; ultimately, as we see in the field of motor learning, input to output is not always a linear progression, and while in general, outcomes follow the law of regression to the mean, you will necessarily get outliers!
in general, it follows the age-old debate about context specific training, as well as the limits against which one comes up - certain things cannot be trained; e.g. - u really can’t actually “practice” cutting or, I suppose, tearing into someone’s flesh, despite being able to address various components in different ways (e.g. - blunt knife against resisting opponent; live blade against composite material mimicking human tissue); of course, in the “old days” one might have had frequent opportunity to do so in context of one’s profession as a mercenary, soldier, etc.; now of course things are different;
anyway…
[QUOTE=MightyB;979054]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuVhGKEIcxE
An example of what I like to see and a Sifu doing what I aspire to in how I now train.[/QUOTE]
This is not traditional kung fu LOL!
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;979128]it’s not an inappropriate argument [/quote]everything can be the appropriate argument when viewed at the appropriate angle along with the appropriate perspective.
- there are various schools of thought (e.g. - Dog Brothers, and some other groups whose names I can’t recall) that pose the need to recreate the conditions of combat as much as possible in order to give students experience dealing with adrenaline dump and all that (something that “sport” competition can create to a certain degree) - so they train as “live” under “pressure” as possible in order to condition that response;
and the inflectional attributes of this would be??
of course, some people have been provided the opportunity in life to have had that occur through their own experiences, and the knowledge that they can respond predictably under those situations can certainly be an edge over one who is untested in that regard;
which is precisely how martial arts becomes an “individual” expenditure of time and energy.
ultimately, as we see in the field of motor learning, input to output is not always a linear progression, and while in general, outcomes follow the law of regression to the mean, you will necessarily get outliers!
and everything is subject to the the differential equation of it all.
in general, it follows the age-old debate about context specific training, as well as the limits against which one comes up - certain things cannot be trained; e.g. - u really can’t actually “practice” cutting or, I suppose, tearing into someone’s flesh, despite being able to address various components in different ways (e.g. - blunt knife against resisting opponent; live blade against composite material mimicking human tissue); of course, in the “old days” one might have had frequent opportunity to do so in context of one’s profession as a mercenary, soldier, etc.; now of course things are different;
yet it seems you are forgetting the underlying principle of “kung fu”, which is time IN energy… you are what you train - if the focus(intent) is to develop the physical hand strength and mental mindset to tear flesh, reality will manifest and follow. this is what is defined as being case specific, as each individual is case specific… the best way to change individual behaviour is to present alternate forms of thought… anyone can win fight according to rules and regulations and win with highly skilled submissions, yet how many of them train with the INTENT of tearing flesh and mutilating exposed tissue?? the clear difference is the approach towards the result of training… some people train to be skillful at winning, others train to win. there is no denying skill in submissions, but submissions are for a civilized world, with some semblence of ethics and morals.
anyway…
so ummmm… are you familiar with children showing their affection by kicking you in the shin?? my daughter loves me way too much. 
[QUOTE=uki;979123]are you familiar with it doesn’t matter if your face is torn off?? lose blood… lose life. :)[/QUOTE]
Uki,
Since when have I been one of the people hating on you for throwing something new and different out?
When I ask a question it is NOT because I’m trying to “one up” someone or insult them.
I’m usually asking a question because something they have said clued me in that they may not understand something.
It’s OFTEN the case that I’m trying to make sure they understand something that actually supports their argument or position if they’d only listen closely.
You say “are you familiar with - it doesn’t matter if your face is torn off”.
I am VERY familiar with the ripping and gouging techniques. One thing I like about having JKD friends is that we work setups for this stuff. I know you’ve got ridiculous grip strength from juggling those iron balls.
When I asked “Do you understand BJJ’s positional theory?” I was asking an honest serious question. It’s one that is fundamental to the way the JKD people approach Kino Mutai.
So let me ask you again, and please don’t treat me like the enemy..
“What do you know about BJJ’s positional theory?”
is this a trick question??
no trick just an honest question for you.