..it was common knowledge in the way that styles of boxing are?
I know a lot of wing chun really doesn’t work at all, but a minority do make it effective. How much of this is the element of surprise though? Do you think your wing chun would be easy to work out and counter if it was well known?
would your wing chun work if..
When you throw right jab and left cross, your opponent uses left comb hair, right comb hair, and close in. What will you do after that?
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1246288]would your wing chun work if..
When you throw right jab and left cross, your opponent uses left comb hair, right comb hair, and close in. What will you do after that?
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I would mess up his hair. Of course. 
[QUOTE=guy b.;1246286]..it was common knowledge in the way that styles of boxing are?
I know a lot of wing chun really doesn’t work at all, but a minority do make it effective. How much of this is the element of surprise though? Do you think your wing chun would be easy to work out and counter if it was well known?[/QUOTE]
No. WCK adapts to the circumstance. What is there to “work out”?
WC probably wouldn’t work against someone who was familiar with it and was also proficient in an effective fighting style. I guess that’s one argument for keeping the sparring clips secret.
[QUOTE=LaRoux;1246572]WC probably wouldn’t work against someone who was familiar with it and was also proficient in an effective fighting style. I guess that’s one argument for keeping the sparring clips secret.[/QUOTE]
A popular MMA fighter with a distinct style like Lyoto Machida or Anderson Silva can win lots of fights, even when people have recorded footage of his fights to watch and “work out.” So having an idea of what someone might do doesn’t necessarily mean they can deal with it when it happens! 
[QUOTE=LaRoux;1246572]WC probably wouldn’t work against someone who was familiar with it and was also proficient in an effective fighting style. I guess that’s one argument for keeping the sparring clips secret.[/QUOTE]
Changing threads?
Depends on the fighter®
[QUOTE=KPM;1246577]A popular MMA fighter with a distinct style like Lyoto Machida or Anderson Silva can win lots of fights, even when people have recorded footage of his fights to watch and “work out.” So having an idea of what someone might do doesn’t necessarily mean they can deal with it when it happens! ;)[/QUOTE]
Of course that’s true, but lack of knowledge can be a huge advantage. That’s what happened when BJJ got introduced to most of the world back in the 80’s/90’s. BJJ is still effective, but it’s not the trump card it used to be.
A system that is less effective will need this surprise element even more.
[QUOTE=guy b.;1246286]..it was common knowledge in the way that styles of boxing are?
I know a lot of wing chun really doesn’t work at all, but a minority do make it effective. How much of this is the element of surprise though? Do you think your wing chun would be easy to work out and counter if it was well known?[/QUOTE]
common knowledge in what sense??? Most people learn wing chun for the street and self defense do you really think a would be mugger is going to scout you on you tube before picking on you, or check out the various different arts someone might know just on the off chance a target hits a martial arts stance? And do you really think people can’t pick up how a chunner wil react based on the clips steady out there of the forms applications and various chi Sao exercises, do you really stand react and respond THAT differently in sparring than when drilling…because if you do then what’s the point of all that drilling…
A train fighter who has competed and sparred various styles of fighting will be more skilled at fighting that a wing chun guy who doesnt fight outside the kwoon.
My point: a WC guy who has competed and has fought in the streets as well as has sparred different people who train different diciplines of martial arts would be more adept to being able to hand a trained fighter!!!
would your wing chun work if..
No body has responded to my concern yet. When you use “chain punch”, your opponent uses “over hook” to wrap your arm, what will you do at that moment?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nWjcGRF-7g&feature=youtu.be
You may not train “arm wrap” but you just can’t prevent your opponent from doing that to you. How to deal with it should also be part of your concern.
Please notice that your “forward pressure” will give your opponent a chance to do that because you move into him and he doesn’t have to move into you. You are helping him to close the distance. That will save 50% of his effort because he doesn’t have to worry about his footwork.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1246288]would your wing chun work if..
When you throw right jab and left cross, your opponent uses left comb hair, right comb hair, and close in. What will you do after that?
John,
Why do you think your case is applicable to Wck?
What do you do to counter?
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1246684]would your wing chun work if..
No body has responded to my concern yet. When you use “chain punch”, your opponent uses “over hook” to wrap your arm, what will you do at that moment?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nWjcGRF-7g&feature=youtu.be
You may not train “arm wrap” but you just can’t prevent your opponent from doing that to you. How to deal with it should also be part of your concern.
Please notice that your “forward pressure” will give your opponent a chance to do that because you move into him and he doesn’t have to move into you. You are helping him to close the distance. That will save 50% of his effort because he doesn’t have to worry about his footwork.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1246692]John,
Why do you think your case is applicable to Wck?
What do you do to counter?[/QUOTE]
Why not?
If my opponent does that to me (as showing in the following clip),
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nWjcGRF-7g&feature=youtu.be
I would:
Would like to hear some WC solutions on this since we are in the thread of "would your wing chun work if.. "
What will you do if one of your arms is controlled by your opponent (his hand controls your elbow joint, his armpit holds on your wrist) that you can’t pull it back (as showing in the following picture)?
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1246684]would your wing chun work if..
No body has responded to my concern yet. When you use “chain punch”, your opponent uses “over hook” to wrap your arm, what will you do at that moment?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nWjcGRF-7g&feature=youtu.be
You may not train “arm wrap” but you just can’t prevent your opponent from doing that to you. How to deal with it should also be part of your concern.
Please notice that your “forward pressure” will give your opponent a chance to do that because you move into him and he doesn’t have to move into you. You are helping him to close the distance. That will save 50% of his effort because he doesn’t have to worry about his footwork.[/QUOTE]
WC has no answer to this because WC has no clinch work.
[QUOTE=LaRoux;1246740]WC has no answer to this because WC has no clinch work.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it does. It’s within the forms, you just haven’t got to that stage in your training or you Sifu doesn’t know what they’s doing.
[QUOTE=Brule;1246742]Yes, it does. It’s within the forms, you just haven’t got to that stage in your training or you Sifu doesn’t know what they’s doing.[/QUOTE]
Really? Which form is this that has two man clinch work?
[QUOTE=guy b.;1246286]..it was common knowledge in the way that styles of boxing are?
I know a lot of wing chun really doesn’t work at all, but a minority do make it effective. How much of this is the element of surprise though? Do you think your wing chun would be easy to work out and counter if it was well known?[/QUOTE]
No, it wouldnt work as well IMO
Hi All,
I don’t mean to interrupt but thought I’d add my two cents worth. I’ve been in WC for nearly 25 years. And can say that yes, in some lines there is a great emphasis on clinch work. WC can be effective if it is deconstructed, sticking hand principles and bridge work relate very well to grappling. Postures like Huan Hun Yao Tie Ban Qiao (Emergency Waist Bend & Iron Half Bridge) are very effective and similar in use to a grappling stance and/or a crab style of western boxing, it is also found in modified form in Chen Qiao Quan and definately found in the San Shi methods of the Ruan family. Unfourtunately most traditional teachers and students are too focused on “Sticking Hands” and “Classical Application”, they forget about what Xiao Lian Tou is all about. It’s not about the pie, it’s about the ingredients that go into it. There is no set application for any movement in WC just the principles and how these principles can be applied.
[QUOTE=dlcox;1246760]And can say that yes, in some lines there is a great emphasis on clinch work. WC can be effective if it is deconstructed, sticking hand principles and bridge work relate very well to grappling.
It’s not about the pie, it’s about the ingredients that go into it. There is no set application for any movement in WC just the principles and how these principles can be applied.[/QUOTE]
nicely put!