Hard sparring, or fighting against a conditioned and skilled opponent is the only way to know if you have what it takes. -Anything else is pure speculation or fantasy.
Seeing CSK’s obvious didain for use of protective gear (such as; mouthpieces, boxing headgear, groin cups, and MMA gloves) he either;
Never spars (though maybe he considers chi-sau & pattycake drills to be sparring).
Wants us to believe that he “spars” in the Bloodsport / Kumite / Van-Damme style.
:rolleyes:
-Lawrence
HARD sparring
Lawernce sez: Hard sparring, or fighting against a conditioned and skilled opponent is the only way to know if you have what it takes. -Anything else is pure speculation or fantasy.
May I ask, which conditioned and skilled fighter have YOU sparred with, and what did you do to convince youself that YOU had what it takes?
Your reply would surely help this fantasy fighter
Within the past few months:
Matt May (Idaho State Golden Gloves Boxing Champion at 152lbs & Competitive Muay Thai fighter)
Jacen Flynn (My Jiu-Jitsu coach)
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=337
Taz Warner (MMA fighter who also won his debut bout as a pro boxer 13 weeks ago)
http://myweb.cableone.net/jango/team.html
and at least a dozen other competitive MMA, Boxing, & Muay Thai fighters from the amateur ranks, not to mention the non-competitive guys I train with, -many of whom are extremely tough and very experienced (including Justin, aka “AmanuJRY”).
I managed not to get knocked out, beatdown, or B[/B] submitted… I had enough answers in the stand-up, clinch, and ground games to maintain a somewhat respectable level of competitiveness in most of those situations. -With the exception of Jacen Flynn, who could tap me out or put me to sleep pretty quickly. (Jacen is a very high level fighter and could be a force in the UFC middleweight division if he focused his training toward that end.)
-Lawrence
p.s. - I walk around at 155lbs, but would fight competitively at 141-155, depending on the sport.
Hard sparring
Lawernce sez: I managed not to get knocked out, beatdown, or (excessively) submitted… I had enough answers in the stand-up, clinch, and ground games to maintain a somewhat respectable level of competitiveness in most of those situations. -With the exception of Jacen Flynn, who could tap me out or put me to sleep pretty quickly. (Jacen is a very high level fighter and could be a force in the UFC middleweight division if he focused his training toward that end.)
So, basically, you are telling me that because you didn’t get knocked out or submitted, you found out what it takes? Sorry if I find this extremely funny, but I fail to see how you actually learnt anything about real life combat from your experiences above. A man running away from a fight would have obtained the same result as yourself without so much bother! And none would be the wiser in regards to their power or ability.
Look, Lawernce, I think you had better do a little soul searching and honestly question yourself how your way of so-called hard sparring is more ‘truthful’ in assessing your real fighting skills than James’
“So, basically, you are telling me that because you didn’t get knocked out or submitted, you found out what it takes? Sorry if I find this extremely funny, but I fail to see how you actually learnt anything about real life combat from your experiences above. A man running away from a fight would have obtained the same result as yourself without so much bother! And none would be the wiser in regards to their power or ability.”
***YOU’VE GOT TO BE KIDDING, chisauking…!!! :eek: 
If you actually think that someone who’s sparred the kinds of people that Lawrence just described HASN’T LEARNED A MULTITUDE OF THINGS that the man who ran away will NEVER learn…then…
Dare I say it ???
You’re more deluded than James is! :rolleyes:
chisauking,
If you advocate running away then why even take a martial art.
Just practice running.
So if you were to get into a fight, what would you bring with you?
chi sau
drills
…
That’s a serious question, I’m not making fun.
J
This time I gotta agree with Vic!!! 
You can learn alot and go far by doing “softwork.” But eventually you have to put in the “hardwork” as well to balance out.
Keith
The good habits and skills that you learned while training in chi sau and drills. As an analogy, when you use weights to develop strength and then you go to apply that strength, you don’t need to go back to the gym and pick up the weights. Don’t confuse the tools with end results.
I train MMA at Gold’s in Boise, and I have some great coaches there. I’m also lucky to have opportunities to workout alongside good fighters like Matt May and Taz Warner (who I mentioned above) that are very cool and helpful guys who are willing to share what they’ve learned with less experienced people. Overall, it’s a great environment to learn about realistic combat, -but if a guy with your attitude went in on a given night with “something to prove” about classical Wing Chun, you get put to sleep, real quick…
Every time I spar I’m learning new things, and it’s especially cool to recognize something I would have gotten caught with weeks before, but know better now to keep from being so vulnerable to it. That’s why I feel I’m on the right track, -not because I can beat the top fighters at my gym (which I can’t).
I always question and look for better ways, and this is the best I’ve got so far.
-Lawrence
Hey Bill,
How’s it going?
I agree, I would bring my training with me, but my training has changed or should I say put into perspective after sparring or any of the encounters that I’ve had.
I never said, or ment to come off, as a big sparring guy. I just don’t have the time. But I used to spar a lot, and that gave me a different look on things.
Also to use your analogy on strength, when you go to the gym and lift weights to develop strength and then you try to do a chin up, but can’t :eek: that put’s things into perspective 
That’s the kind of comparison that I was trying to make.
J
Jeff,
All is well. I’m really looking forward to a good year in 2006.
I hope our paths cross so that we can compare notes.
All the best to you and your family.
Merry Christmas!
Hey Bill,
Thanks!
and a Merry Christmas to you.
I’m hoping my training is going to really pick up this year. Looking forward to it.
I’m sure we’ll meet up at a seminar or something
J
Hard sparring???
First of all, let me state that I’m not against sparring – just some of the approaches towards it.
Sparring with boxing gloves, shin and titty pads, and a bird cage over your head may sometimes advance your skills…but it would also instill bad habits to your real world fighting skills in other areas. More accurately, I openly laugh at people that don’t go BEYOND this low level format of sparring, but at the same time critercize others for not training in a REALISTIC manner (what a joke!)
In response to my comment regarding fully padded up sparring, Lawernce said you required this form of sparring to find out what it takes, and he said he found out what it takes by sparring with certain individuals that didn’t knock him out or submitted him too easy. Lawernce also stated that anything else is pure conjucture.
I tried to explain that this method of evaulating one’s real fighting skills is just as reliable as Jame’s no sparring model, and anyone running away from a fight would have obtained the same conclusion as Lawernce, since running away would also mean you were either not knock out or submitted – 2 aspects which Lawernce stated that found for him what it takes.
Lawernce, unless you can be more specific, I’m afraid I have to stand by what I’d said – your method of gauging your real world fighting skills is no more accurate than Jame’s and certainly just as speculative.
***REALLY NOW!
You “laugh at people who don’t go BEYOND this low level format of sparring”, do you?
And you say that a padded up method of full contact sparring yields the same conclusions about what real fighting is about - to James’ no sparring format.
This attitude, quite frankly…is clueless.
So maybe it’s about time to ask you some questions, chisauking:
What kind of sparring format (if any) do you engage in?
And how often?
Do you ever spar/fight against other styles?
If so, what?
Victor, I DO NOT PROMOTE A NO SPARRING FORMAT. I’ve sparred beleive it or not in my lifetime. I do not spar much anymore, that is it. The students spar, multiple person spar and do what they want with the protective gear that they choose to in between classes. SO get that through your thick skull…
James
Hi All
I found this link and thought it looked like good sparring (excluding ground work) but still good, thoughts ?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2809347163358163436&q=wing+tsun
Regards,
Adrian
More clips..
Since finding this site, I’ve posted a couple of clips of myself. This one is our Butterfly sword form, http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=I5I4Dum-CNw , from a demo last summer. The second one is some of our Mok Jong form, not in order http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=-oGArMWJAOQ .
Enjoy..
James