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Mr. Ernie it is your right to speak with who ever you want to . . . if you do not wish to speak with me I am sorry for that . . . I do not wish to give out personal information over internet for many reasons . . . including that there are crazies out there . . . and I do not know any of you either . . . I would hope that how I comport self and the content of what I say would be enough for people to weigh what I say . . . if I am troll or if I am serious . . . I do not know you . . . I do not even know if Ernie is real name . . . if it is using this real name does not make your views more or less valid . . . what you say stands on its own merit . . . at least to me . . . I would hope you would give me same chance . . . but if not I understand . . . we all have our own standards to live by . . . and in any case I wish you well.

Thanks,

Ghost

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Ghost ,
psssssssssst i see dead people !
Ernie Barrios is my real name http://wingchuncoach.com/ is my website with all my information ,

there are to many fakes and handbag swingers that hide behind fake names so they can spit venom

or pretend to be more then what they are ,

there allot of very cool and honest people on this forum , hell I will go a few rounds with James because he has the balls to put his stuff out in the open and even if I disagree I have to respect that .

so don’t take it personal , bro , lady or apparition
but more then likely your just a reincarnation of some existing member hiding behind a …MR. … typing … pattern… :stuck_out_tongue:

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Thank you Ernie . . . since you don’t like the Mr. . . . for responding to me even though you do not like talking to screen names . . . I do not pretend to be anything here . . . I do not claim to be anything at all so how can I pretend to be something . . lol . . . I am what I do . . . some one that asks questions and discusses things in hope of getting better understanding . . . I do not try to spread venom . . . and will not say anything bad about anyone . . . if I did these things whether I use real name or not I would expect people to treat me the same . . . I could lie and give a name and personal info to make you think I was being open. . . but I prefer to be honest . . . it is interesting that while I am paranoid about giving out information over internet you are paranoid that I am reincarnation of existing member . . . lol . . . it is nice to know we at least share being paranoid . . . I will not bother you again since this is your request.

Thanks,

Ghost

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Hey Ghost…

You’re seeing things in Ernie’s remarks that just aren’t there. Is he really saying that because you refuse to give your real name that he doesn’t want to communicate with you again?

He said that he doesn’t “like” talking to people without names - but that doesn’t mean he won’t do it from time to time! :cool:

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Hi Victor, I’ll have to side with Ernie on this one. I prefer to post on a group that requires people to use real names. I’m very suspicious of a person that posts and hides their name. Adults have to be responsible for their actions. People who post anonomously avoid that responsibility. I belong to one WC group that requires members to post their school, lineage, Sifu’s name, and their real name. This probably isn’t perfect but it’s easy enough to contact a Sifu and ask if said person is a student or not.
Phil

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hey ernie your site is cool as hell. i liked especially that you were using focus mitts etc which i dont think are really a traditional wing chun wing chun thing but since doing a lot of thai padwork i think its really immensely beneficial for any martial art that strikes, especially the coaching aspect of it. i just really liked your whole approach etc.

also im more than happy to private message anyone who i am where i train etc (already pmed a few people so they can vouch for that) but i dont like it out in public as people like to attack things and i dont want to make my wing chun teacher or mma coach look bad for what i post on the internet. its out of respect.

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If I misunderstood Ernie I apologize to him . . . thank you Mr. Parlati for pointing out my error. I do not want to belabor this . . . but how does using real name assume any responsibility? . . . I can use real name and say all kinds of nonsense . . . make all kinds of trouble . . . and what can you do about it knowing real name . . . do you think real name will stop me if I want to do these things . . . I am all for code of conduct on forums . . . so that civility is maintained . . . because I think civility is all important . . . and person who behave poorly can be dealt with . . . but I do not want to give out personal information to people I don’t know . . . how do I know some person on forum or lurking isn’t a crazy . . . a collegue had some real trouble like this . . . internet is world wide . . . I am thinking that my questions and views and behavior can stand on their own . . . if this seems suspicious to some then I am sorry . . . but this is how I feel.

Thanks,

Ghost

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Every time I read one of sihing’s posts, I want to jump on a plane, go to the class he teaches and tell his students they are wasting their money.

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Well since I have recently moved back home here to Thunder Bay, Ontario, I’m sure as a California boy you would love it here with the 10’ high snow banks, lol…
I’m sure they would welcome you in and welcome you out politely..

James

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Your own path

Victor sez: He defends someone’s rants who admittedly (James) doesn’t do ANY hard sparring by saying that unless you’ve fought a Thai or Boxing or BJJ CHAMPION on the street - who’s trying to KILL you…

Not at all. I wasn’t defending James as much as our freedom to speak on this forum – with or withour sparring expereince. Ernie cited that only people with sparring or real fighting experience (personal experience) should post on this forum…I simply pointed out that if that were the criteria, then nobody is qulaified to post here, since nobody here has beaten anybody of repute, and the attributes aquired from so-called sparring sessions is questionable in a REAL fight.

Victor sez: unless you’ve done that - you’ve no right to take someone to task who thinks he knows everything but doesn’t even spar…much less fight for real on the street.

That’s my point. Who on this forum has actually fought for real on the street with a highly skillful fighter with full intent? Have you, Victor? If so, what was his name and style?

Victor sez: BUT THERE ARE AT LEAST A MILLION SHADES OF GRAY in-between the two extremes - and chisauking tries to make believe they don’t exist!

Again, not at all. With me, I’m not interested in in-betweens; I’m only interested in whether it works or not. Everybody that knows me knows I don’t make excuses. Unlike many, I don’t delude myself that the results I obtain from so-called sparring with boxing gloves, padding and a bird cage on my head would be replicated in a real fight with no rules, bare knuckles, real INTENT, and my hard Dr. Martin boots. The results would never be the same.

My main point I’m trying to get across is, this forum is only for a bit of fun for fellow wing chun people. If we start to impose conditions of only experienced fighters with actual personal fight experience should post here, then most – if not all – wouldn’t qualify.

In my 20 years’ plus in wing chun, this journey has taught me, if nothing else, that there are many paths leading to the same destination. Just because James haven’t followed your path doesn’t mean he will never reach the destination. Indeed, he may even get there before you.

besides, if you don’t even read Jame’s post any more, how can you argue any points he has stated?

Don’t tell me – you have been secretly reading his post even though you don’t find them interesting and informative :wink: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

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cking
[[Not at all. I wasn’t defending James as much as our freedom to speak on this forum – with or withour sparring expereince. Ernie cited that only people with sparring or real fighting experience (personal experience) should post on this forum…I simply pointed out that if that were the criteria, then nobody is qulaified to post here, since nobody here has beaten anybody of repute, and the attributes aquired from so-called sparring sessions is questionable in a REAL fight]]

please let me clarify ,
I said don’t speak on what you don’t know , meaning when I see people saying text book WC crap like well if the boxer does this I will do that , and they **** well know they have never and will never even jump in a ring to test it out ,it just makes me sick !
and they go on and on and on and on just quoting the WC bible , again with no first hand experience in the matter
it’s like dude , shut up long enough to find out for yourself , then kick some real life knowledge

that’s it really or at least have the common decency to say well I have never really tried this but it is supposed to work this way and I assume it should turn out like this ,

just be honest

Sticker ----- thanks buddy

Knife fighter ---- dude you just straight bust me up , hey my arm is getting a little better , so we should get together in the future , I could use a wake up call

James — my snowboard is right in front of me as I type this !!! sorry to keep bangin on you , it’s more the idea then the person

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What is frustrating about his posts to those of us in the “clique” that regularly mixes it up with other fighters is that he never even spars in his own school (let alone going out and scrapping with others), yet he tries to talk with smug authority on how all his theoretical techniques will do against other styles.

Those of us who do regularly mix it up know that a large number of theoretical techniques go out the window when you are going all out against someone who is also doing the same. The longer one goes without getting in there and trying things out, the further one goes into the realm of theory and the larger the number of theoretical techniques that don’t work becomes.

It’s fine if the theoretician wants to speak from a theoretical point of view, but the thoeretician should stay in the realm of theory rather than trying to preach about what works and what doesn’t to those who are actually doing.

Ernie:
I’ve got a few injuries of my own to heal up over the next month or so after several weekends of crashing dirt bikes, fighting at the Dog Bros. and doing a grappling tourney. I’ll probably be back into the mix full speed in February or early March.

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"Victor sez: BUT THERE ARE AT LEAST A MILLION SHADES OF GRAY in-between the two extremes - and chisauking tries to make believe they don’t exist!

Again, not at all. With me, I’m not interested in in-betweens; I’m only interested in whether it works or not. Everybody that knows me knows I don’t make excuses. Unlike many, I don’t delude myself that the results I obtain from so-called sparring with boxing gloves, padding and a bird cage on my head would be replicated in a real fight with no rules, bare knuckles, real INTENT, and my hard Dr. Martin boots. The results would never be the same." (chisauking)

***AND ANYBODY who knows me knows that I’ve had many a real fight on the street…which is precisely why we train with full protective gear in the school - because when you’re going FULL CONTACT - and you’re kicking full power while wearing shoes/sneakers - and you’re punching full power (including headshots) with thin gloves…it’s very easy for injuries to occur.

Too easy.

The street teaches you humility and prudence when it comes to REAL sparring.

Not the B.S. “drills” that some people are content to do - and then they come on here and “theorize” as if they really know what they’re talking about when it comes to applying wing chun to real fighting.

That’s the whole point. No one is saying that people can’t comment about this or that - but they should not try to pull the wool over other people’s eyes.

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I gotta agree with CSK here. :slight_smile: We are all here to have fun discussing things and to learn from each other when we can. No one should be here under the pretence of “representing” some specific lineage or teacher. No one should be excluded just because they have less knowledge or less experience in some particular area. No one should be taking the “kung fu teacher” attitude with others here. But then as Victor has pointed out, everyone should be honest about where they are coming from as well. If we all did the same thing and thought the same way the discussions would be rather boring! :eek: Diversity is key! I am becoming somewhat “disillusioned” with the “traditional” approach to learning and training. Does that mean I want the “traditional” approach to go away? Absolutely not! Different strokes for different folks! There’s room for everyone. Just be honest in everything you do. There…Christmas lecture over! :smiley:

Keith

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It’s fine to believe what you want about someone, but if no personal contact has never been made, then how do you really know? Are you really that c0cky to believe with 100% accuracy that you could defeat me in combat? I don’t think anyone can say that really. For me I really use this stuff when it is a life and death situation. When I played competitive sports I was the worst practice player but rose to the occasion when it mattered. That is my personality and the way I am, I know this about myself. Sparring would not bring out this intensity for me, so therefore the act of doing it would not be as helpful as it is for others. People that comment here have to realize the fact of the matter is I don’t spar anymore, but that does not mean I NEVER HAVE, or that situations don’t come up that require me to prove what I have to offer. Its almost like people think I sit here at the computer all day, thinking about WC and reading about what it is all about then recite what I’ve learned on here, lol. You know I do teach the stuff, have done so for 14yrs. Met a ton of people from all walks of life and many Martial Artist from lots of different styles. When this happens, my first impression is NOT to prove WC superiority, but to get to know the person and help them anyway I can, make a friend. I could care less what they think about WC. Now, concerning sparring and reality training, I’m not saying that what some do on here is not a good thing. Putting yourself and what you do on the line and truly testing it is a good thing, but not for everyone on a daily or weekly basis. How many times have we heard about injuries and such happening to those that follow this doctrine. So you spar hard for 2 months but then get injured and take 5 months off, with limited ability to train. To me this is not efficient, and using mass amounts of protective gear doesn’t make the situation better, but less real IMO.

When it comes to being a “Theoretian”, all of us here whatever we write is just that, theories. One person’s fact is another’s theory till they prove it is fact for them. Plus in this medium, internet forum, what else is there? Now one can prove to another on here right now what they say is truth? Until people meet person to person, all you can do here is theorize, based on your experience and knowledge.

James

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Hey James,
Just to put in my 2 cents.
One of the things that I’ve gained from going full out with protective gear is that my punches are not as hard as what I thought they were before trying it. The padding and gear is a neccesity so we can limit our injuries.

For some reason, not talking about you specifically, most people have an idea in their head of what their punch or kick would do. When you test it out, that’s when you realize that your thoughts are just that, …thoughts and then it’s time to get to work and fix it.

That’s just my experience, not talking down to anyone.

Another thing is my stamina sucks so that’s what I’m working on :smiley:

J

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I think that is correct thinking Jeff, overestimating your abilities (too extreme to one side) is something to try and avoid. For example hitting stationary things like the Mok Jong or heavy bag tell you that the power is there, but hitting a moving object is a different story, especially when that moving object has a brain. That is where the tactics and set up come into play IMO. The idea is the timing and if you can setting up of your opponent. Of course I realize this is sometimes easier said than done.

James

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self discovery

Jeff sez: One of the things that I’ve gained from going full out with protective gear is that my punches are not as hard as what I thought they were before trying it. The padding and gear is a neccesity so we can limit our injuries.

If you need to fully pad up and spar to realise your power limits, you are in deep ding dong!

Padding up with boxing gloves, shin proctectors, and titty pads may help injuries, but at the same time it would distort the reality of truth. In other words, you trying to replicate a false image, and, worst still, embedding false responces to your subconscious. When those false experiences are called upon in a real situation, you will be confronted with the reality of truth…but guess what? Boo.hoo.hoo it is toooooooo late! Learnt responces doesn’t work!

Mind you, sparring in this manner is really good for your cardiovascular system.

sau chi sau mo dak jow

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chisauking
So how do you know if your punch or kick will have what it takes?

J

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“Padding up with boxing gloves, shin proctectors, and titty pads may help injuries, but at the same time it would distort the reality of truth. In other words, you trying to replicate a false image, and, worst still, embedding false responces to your subconscious. When those false experiences are called upon in a real situation, you will be confronted with the reality of truth…but guess what? Boo.hoo.hoo it is toooooooo late! Learnt responces doesn’t work!”

***PURE RUBBISH !!! :eek:

The image is ten times closer to reality fighting than pulling one’s punches and kicks down to semi-hard, light, (or perhaps no) contact. Unless you’ve been punched and kicked by someone using FULL power…

And unless you’ve done those things yourself…EMBEDDED FALSE RESPONSES IS INDEED THE NAME OF YOUR GAME!

The only alternative is to just simply fight all out without any gear - in which case the school will close down very quickly since virtually everyone will have incapacitating injuries.