[QUOTE=Graham H;1221791]An ideal time to put some of your sparring videos up then.[/QUOTE]
The ideal time for that would be when I was making claims about my own sparring.
The moment I do that, I’ll be sure to put those up.
Hopefully, you’ll do the same. I won’t hold my breath on that one though.
[QUOTE=LaRoux;1221817]The ideal time for that would be when I was making claims about my own sparring.
The moment I do that, I’ll be sure to put those up.
Hopefully, you’ll do the same. I won’t hold my breath on that one though.[/QUOTE]
You want to see my sparring then you can come to my yard. Videos cause arguments. Trying to punch each other does not.
[QUOTE=Graham H;1221820]You want to see my sparring then you can come to my yard. Videos cause arguments. Trying to punch each other does not.[/QUOTE]
Posting claims about sparring with no evidence for sparring causes arguments also. That hasn’t stopped you from making those claims, though.
[QUOTE=LaRoux;1221828]Posting claims about sparring with no evidence for sparring causes arguments also. That hasn’t stopped you from making those claims, though.[/QUOTE]
Man, I wish you two guys really would get together, put some gloves on and work this out rather than waste space here. Then you could both post a video! That would be fun.
Anyway, LaRoux, like I asked before --seriously, with no disrespect, what MA do you train?
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1220552]Very brief.
http://youtu.be/I3cY7vlP310
3:11- 3:25
http://youtu.be/r6YVmNnuSIA[/QUOTE]
I like the fact that Bayer takes the blindside with the knives.
I also like this WSL saying in your signature:
>WSL: Combat experience is more important than any other thing.<
I wish more WC people fought. We wouldn’t have the lineage superiority mess.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1221875]I also like this WSL saying in your signature:
>WSL: Combat experience is more important than any other thing.<
I wish more WC people fought. We wouldn’t have the lineage superiority mess.[/QUOTE]
Phil, props for your wise words. Your sifu, my sifu, WSL, and many others all disagreed. But when I look at some of the videos posted and see what you guys do, some of it makes a lot of sense. If more people got together to test their stuff out, maybe everybody’s WC would improve.
Here’s a few random thoughts.
The students of my sifu’s enemies are not my enemies. To hell with Sifu-worship!
Take nothing on faith alone.
If “you” (in the general sense) show me that you can kick my backside, I’m not all that impressed. A lot of guys can do that. But if you can show me something that helps me kick booty, you bet I’ll listen and be in your debt.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1221875]
I wish more WC people fought. We wouldn’t have the lineage superiority mess.[/QUOTE]
we would still have the same arguments because ultimately fighting is as much about the individual as the style. I’ve got students who have only been training a year who would give several far more experienced guys I know from other lineages hell. Does that mean that they should change what they are doing? hell no it just means that the individuals in question are hard as nails.
Unfortunately the martial arts world is dominated by little men with big egos who feel the need to aggressively market what they do in order to make a quick buck.
[QUOTE=Grumblegeezer;1221864] put some gloves on and work this out rather than waste space here. [/QUOTE]
No gloves!
You accusing us of wasting space? How ironic. Take a look around. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1221875]I like the fact that Bayer takes the blindside with the knives.
I also like this WSL saying in your signature:
>WSL: Combat experience is more important than any other thing.<
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1221875]
I wish more WC people fought. We wouldn’t have the lineage superiority mess.
[/QUOTE]
Any ideas on how to make this happen?
Maybe we should all design a tournament?
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1221875]I like the fact that Bayer takes the blindside with the knives.
[/QUOTE]
There is a good reason for that otherwise your chances of getting hurt severly increase.
How do you fight with the knives Phil. Where do you aim to attack first and why?
[QUOTE=Graham H;1222011]There is a good reason for that otherwise your chances of getting hurt severly increase.
How do you fight with the knives Phil. Where do you aim to attack first and why?[/QUOTE]
It all depends on positioning but It’s good to check the weapon, then slice/slash the wrist/forearm to disarm the person.
[QUOTE=thedreamer7;1221974][QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1221875]I like the fact that Bayer takes the blindside with the knives.
I also like this WSL saying in your signature:
>WSL: Combat experience is more important than any other thing.<
Any ideas on how to make this happen?
Maybe we should all design a tournament?
:)[/QUOTE]
Since we are the laughing stock of the martial arts world I’d say yes to WC tournys. The argument that WC is too deadly for competition is laughable. Other martial arts that compete also have “deadly” techniques. They just don’t use them in competitions. You can adapt any striking art for competitions. Even with gloves.
[QUOTE=Grumblegeezer;1221881]Phil, props for your wise words. Your sifu, my sifu, WSL, and many others all disagreed. But when I look at some of the videos posted and see what you guys do, some of it makes a lot of sense. If more people got together to test their stuff out, maybe everybody’s WC would improve.
Here’s a few random thoughts.
The students of my sifu’s enemies are not my enemies. To hell with Sifu-worship!
Take nothing on faith alone.
If “you” (in the general sense) show me that you can kick my backside, I’m not all that impressed. A lot of guys can do that. But if you can show me something that helps me kick booty, you bet I’ll listen and be in your debt.[/QUOTE]
That was on point.
[QUOTE=wingchunIan;1221899]we would still have the same arguments because ultimately fighting is as much about the individual as the style. I’ve got students who have only been training a year who would give several far more experienced guys I know from other lineages hell. Does that mean that they should change what they are doing? hell no it just means that the individuals in question are hard as nails.
Unfortunately the martial arts world is dominated by little men with big egos who feel the need to aggressively market what they do in order to make a quick buck.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. Most fighters I know are really laid back. They are confident in their skills and they know they can lose some and win some. It’s usually people who have never tested their art outside of the comfort zone of their respective kwoon/dojo/dojang etc. They are the ones more prone to Sifu/lineage worship, and worst of all, trash talking other styles/lineages. You’ll see trash talking in MMA. K1, Boxing before the fight. That’s the promotional hype. But in most cases you’ll see the respect for each other after the fight. Of course there are some exceptions where there is really bad blood between two fighters but that’s not the norm. Hanging out with an opponent after a fight is not uncommon.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1222070][QUOTE=thedreamer7;1221974]
Since we are the laughing stock of the martial arts world I’d say yes to WC tournys. The argument that WC is too deadly for competition is laughable. Other martial arts that compete also have “deadly” techniques. They just don’t use them in competitions. You can adapt any striking art for competitions. Even with gloves.[/QUOTE]
Well I spar with 4 oz gloves and think that is fine.
Would you make this WC only or more a different variant of MMA?
[QUOTE=thedreamer7;1222080][QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1222070]
Well I spar with 4 oz gloves and think that is fine.
Would you make this WC only or more a different variant of MMA?[/QUOTE]
To be hones, I think WC only at first so people can get their feet wet. Then maybe later invite other styles. But that’s just my take on the subject. I’m open to whatever. You’d be surprised how attitudes change among fighters. A WC tourny could promote brotherhood. Maybe I’m a little too optimistic. Who knows?
[QUOTE=thedreamer7;1222080][QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1222070]
Well I spar with 4 oz gloves and think that is fine.
Would you make this WC only or more a different variant of MMA?[/QUOTE]
To be honest, I think WC only at first so people can get their feet wet. Then maybe later invite other styles. But that’s just my take on the subject. I’m open to whatever. You’d be surprised how attitudes change among fighters. A WC tourny could promote brotherhood. Maybe I’m a little too optimistic. Who knows?
I think WC can’t be taken in a ring because footwork…
Not suited for Sparring, that’s all.
If you want to use something in a ring, use boxing, MMA, Thai Boxing, they were adapted for these kind of conditions.
If you see, for example, the difference between olympic fencing and ancient Fencing (duel fencing with things that cut and pierce), not hte same footwork, not the same stategies, the same risks.
Same difference between Muay Thai and Muay Boran, between French Boxing and Savate…
When you bring a gong fu in a ring with rules, you gain some things, you loose other things.
[QUOTE=poulperadieux;1222141
That is true… but unfortunately dueling is illegal in most places.
[QUOTE=poulperadieux;1222141]
When you bring a gong fu in a ring with rules, you gain some things, you loose other things.[/QUOTE]
Considering the current state of WC politics we have more to gain.