[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1058676]Only someone with no ground skills and no exposure to any ground skills would term any kind of test of ground skills “assisted suicide”. Among those with ground skills, this type of thing is such a common everyday occurance that people don’t freak out when mentioning it like HW108.[/QUOTE]
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uick question … how common is it for you to practice 2 vs 1 or 3 vs 1 on the ground?
[QUOTE=Eric_H;1058702]Then please give an example of finishing multiple opponents on the ground while you are also on the ground. I can’t see that working very well [/QUOTE]
Choke one, while kicking the other one and then breaking the other one’s leg.
[QUOTE=Peaceful Orchid;1058710]Choke one, while kicking the other one and then breaking the other one’s leg.[/QUOTE]
Not to say it can’t be done, but I personally can’t see that working out.
Generally to choke someone you have to apply too many resources to the one you’re choking to engage others effectively. If your kicks are devastating enough that you can break legs with one kick from a compromised position that would be impressive.
I’d like to see more about how you approach these things, send me a PM if you’d care to talk about it more in depth off the thread.
[QUOTE=Eric_H;1058716]Not to say it can’t be done, but I personally can’t see that working out.
Generally to choke someone you have to apply too many resources to the one you’re choking to engage others effectively. If your kicks are devastating enough that you can break legs with one kick from a compromised position that would be impressive.
I’d like to see more about how you approach these things, send me a PM if you’d care to talk about it more in depth off the thread.[/QUOTE]
No, you keep them off with the kicks while you are choking one (sometimes you can break the knee with a good kick, though). Then, after the first guy dies from the choke, you break the other one’s leg with a leg lock.
[QUOTE=Peaceful Orchid;1058717]No, you keep them off with the kicks while you are choking one (sometimes you can break the knee with a good kick, though). Then, after the first guy dies from the choke, you break the other one’s leg with a leg lock.[/QUOTE]
You’re appearance is strangely suspect considering recent bannings. I’m thinking troll. Because if not, you are scraping the barrel lower than HW108’s level of ridiculousness…
[QUOTE=SoCo KungFu;1058718]You’re appearance is strangely suspect considering recent bannings. I’m thinking troll. Because if not, you are scraping the barrel lower than HW108’s level of ridiculousness…[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Peaceful Orchid;1058717]No, you keep them off with the kicks while you are choking one (sometimes you can break the knee with a good kick, though). Then, after the first guy dies from the choke, you break the other one’s leg with a leg lock.[/QUOTE]
Meanwhile, the chi from your aura kills all the ninjas around in a 10 mile radius.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1058544]I have never claimed to be “proficient” in ground skills. I have said that the Mainland Chinese WC curriculum has ground fighting practice as a part of its traditional methodology.
Unfortunately, I had to move countries before I covered that area, and nowadays whenever I travel and meet sifu, I concentrate on polishing up what I already know. All this does not change the fact that various TCMAs address the groundfighting scenarios!
If you have any doubts about the skills of any TCMA sifu, you are free to go to their kwoon (kung fu schools) and challenge them!
Very true, Yip Man was very well known for his BJJ skills…:rolleyes:
They can “explore” anything they like, but IMHO, they should first concisley explore the art of Wing Chun, before they go onto “improving” it.
You need to have a pure view of Wing Chun if you wish to improve it, because pure view will imply concise understanding of this profound art.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Saboi Osmosis;1058120]does your school cover any groundfighting techiniques/escapes etc…
I always here people say power comes from the ground, So if your on your back on the floor surely your wing chun should be good on the floor???[/QUOTE]
As far as the wrestling angle goes, or BJJ if you’re a modernist, I personally wouldn’t coach students in these sports I would send them to a reputable club. I wouldn’t send them to an MMA Gym as the standards I have seen on the ground are nowhere near the BJJ/Judo/Wresling guys I’ve researched. These are still hard to find and wrestling, especially, isn’t as popular in the UK. I also like the Shuaijiao guys I’ve met through the BCCMA, and feel that also has a closer connection to the art I coach simply due to the language and history.
As far as Ground’work’ goes, yes I coach this. Yes I was taught this by a Wing Chun Sifu, and yes that helps in many situations that end up going to the concrete. The infamous ‘knee to chest’ is a WCK tech! Practise is geared more towards escape and avoidance than submission. Floorwork was covered because I was trained as a performer where we rolled in/out to attack/defend and as many techs were trips/throws we had to know how to fall! I, and many others that went through this, had not experienced that intensity in Wing Chun before and it had it’s place (like everything) for a time. It isn’t something that’s done every day!
And FWIW, if Wing Chun is in perpetual development (which it really should be imho) then going down the groundfighting route will be a natural progression for some. I would just say that you need to hold onto the nature of Wing Chun too, and understand that this is a snake speciality that has been disregarded in the past only to come back and bite us all on our backsides! :D;)
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