Hi everyone now is your chance to try your chi sao in a fun and challenging environment. The tournament will be held in Canton Ohio, by the wutang martial arts school. We hope to see lots of chi sao people there. for more info call 330-327-5699
How does a Chi Sao tournament work? Would it be similar to a focus pad tournament for Muay Thai?
I see two alternatives:
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“Contestant (a) sure is learning a lot in that exchange, Jim.”
“Well, sure, Bill, but that’s only because contestant (b) is doing a much better job at productive partnering…”
“True, and even though (a) is getting in some disconnected, powerless taps by changing tempo and jumping around, (b) is really maintaining his posture and keeping those elbows in…”
OR
Bas: “Jesus Christ, whatta liver shot!”
Quadros: “I’m liking this, Bas. We’re finally getting to see the true art!”
Goldberg: “This sucks. Look how small and spindly their arms are. Why aren’t they just wailing on each other? I mean their standing all stuck together there… I wish Bob Sapp was here!”
RR
“Don’t look now, but here comes Joe San, executing his patented ‘50 shots in the sack’ manouver. Ooohh.. that’s gotta hurt.”
Rickson by armbar
Red5angel,
Could you please post the rules/restrictions/description of events here, as well as let us know the judges and scoring criteria? How is this going to work? I’ve been to a few of these before (some even in Ohio), and they tend to vary greatly in how they are implemented.
What are chi sao people? I guess you will learn alot at this event.
Can I box there? Really. I’m serious.
MP: Most chi sao judges dont know what they are doing.
Lots of flailing arms and attempted muscling.
Rules vary… sometimes they make em up just before the matches.
So yes touch and drop em with a hook.
You might get a warning if the referee sees it.
I dont think that you learn much- but -sigh- they are here to stay.
Some can be funny- one of the times I judged- there wasa Northern prayin M guy who entered for fun…but he was afraid of getting close and just hung on and lost.
There was a chi sao and kung fu tourney in Chicago recently- same old same old. You have to have top level judges and clear rules announced months ahead of time.IMO of course
My Sifu said he saw a chi sao tournament here in Chicago, and it was mostly degenerating into two people wrestling with each other’s arms. Hey, I just participated in a push hands event, and it harldy resembled push hands at all. I was as guilty as anybody, trying to use way too much force.
This could be interesting.
Could get Carl D. chi sao vs HFY Chi sao
re: rr
foucs mitt contest
anyway the rules i’d like to see.
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ignore the floor of the tourny, find the nearby hotel and comandire the elevator.
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place two WC people on the first floor after first searching them for hidden weapons
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when the elavator reachs the top floor the winner should be clear.
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any contention? back down for round 2!
Chi-sau ‘tournaments’ are bull****. They are a corruption of the idea of chi-sau in an attempt to make it ‘competetive’, which is against the idea of chi sau in the first place. If you want real competition do full contact sparing or MMA.
Emin Boztepe recently [i]ripped the ****[/i] out of chi-sau tournament in a combat interview. I tend to agree with his opinion that they are worthless.
Imagine that UF, you and Bozteppe agree! :rolleyes:
I am working on getting more details. I just figured some of you guys in the area or who wouldnt mind travelling woudl be interested, I wil keep you up to date with what I know!
Like any game, it’s what you reward people for that determines how they behave.
And imagine that, redangel disagree with me!
I am wondering what these mysterious ‘chi-sau’ tournaments are all about. They seem to fly in the face of most wing chun training. It looks like a farce but may be entertaining to see, if only to provide humour and entertainment.
UF- What is it you are doing when you do chi sau? Why is it impossible for you to do it in a situation where there may be people from outside your regular routine doing it with you? Who say sit has to go against anything chi sau is supposed to be? I for one have always stated that in a wing chun related tourney I would rather loose and learn something then sacrifice to bad wingchun or no wingchun to win. Use these events as a learning situation and see how what you know stands up to what other people know.
I have seen too many WT schools whose instructors refuse to do chi sau with outsiders. Is this an attitude they instill in the entire organization? why is this the way it is in the first place?
The Boztepe article was interesting becasue he highlighted some points about the nature of the 'chi-sau tournaments and why they are bull****. I’m not one to agree with Boztepe (he is technically the enemy from a LTWT perspective), but he doesn’t cut any bull which is good.
Basically the nature of chi sau is that you train sensitivity with a partner. You are not ‘competing’ like in a chi-sau tourney. The reason for this is that you are both staying in stance facing each other which is unrealistic. In a real fight, you use chi-sau once contact is established to deflect incoming force and then move round- you don’t stand ther and try to ‘get through’ like in these tourneys. That is why I stay away from them.
So you should train chi sau with a partner to get sensitivity and reflexes, but if you want to apply chi sau skills in competition then put on the gloves and fight or spar full contact (we have ‘fight clubs’ now in WT for this purpose). Just don’t stand in stance totally sqaure and train ‘competition chi sau’ as this develops VERY bad habits and will errode your skill.
I can only say that the attitude you have encountered of WT people not wanting to touch hands with other WC people is a regional thing. I would have no problem training with another lineage, it would be interesting to see other perspectives on the art.
i have been to one of these “chi sau tournements” before, and the only value that they have is so you can see how other lineages do chi sau.
Hunt1, there is no such thing as “Carl D. chi sau”
The reason for this is that you are both staying in stance facing each other which is unrealistic.
Do all tournaments have this requirement? Actually no. Some just mandate they maintain contact throughout with at least one arm. The footwork is otherwise unrestricted. In these cases, staying face to face would be a choice rather than stipulation.
I can only say that the attitude you have encountered of WT people not wanting to touch hands with other WC people is a regional thing. I would have no problem training with another lineage, it would be interesting to see other perspectives on the art. [/B]
The couple of WT I’ve met might be unrepresentative, but they were very friendly!