Hey Kev
Thanks for the offer - Ill let you know if im in the area.
Since Christmas is coming up and relevant parties have made assurances, the EB seminar reviews will go up soon…
There’s a whole escape system that involve, basically, extending and locking out your arms.
Like anything, knowledge, awareness, and context are more the constraints than any generalized “do’s” or “don’t’s”
There’s also a difference in getting the average Joe Barroom off you compared to someone who wrestled or played football in highschool or university, compared to getting Dhira’s purple belt’ed self off you.
For average use against essentially ground-ignorant fighters, stuff like what Rickson Gracie showed in those two seminars floating around the 'net (Hawaii & Chicago, I think), IMHO, is darn good, very basic, and very practical (ways of getting up, sweeping, passing, and escaping average people).
Against people like Dhira, you would probably need more 
For Kev B and anyone else who is interested
Note: Emin Seminar 1 is what I posted before. Emin seminar 2 is all new material.
Any credit goes to Emin -IMO an excellent teacher and fighter. Any mistakes/errors are mine and mine alone.
Emin Seminar:1
Emin talked about the following things:
-
The fact that wing chun is scientific and based on well established principle of geometry, physics, psychology and anatomy and physiology
-
the history of wing chun- how ng mui invented the art as we know it almost in its entirety but how every generation must do their best to help the art evolve otherwise it just becomes a doctrine/dogma (he felt hed done that with his wing chun - e.g. his anti grappling program).
-
That to be good at wing chun you need two things: the motivation to train very hard and an open mind- not to mindlessly parrot your teacher but to question everything they show you and to try it out for yourself (he was very emphatic on this point)
-
That people spend ages on fancy chi sau, learning lots of moves and get lulled into a false sense of security by cooperative training partners (a blind leading the blind scenario). However these same people cant even do the basic move with any real power (just stepping in and punching). If you can do this right then in almost all fights all the other techniques are unnecessary (all the so called ‘masters’ he’d met couldn’t even stop his basic punch or wouldn’t even cross hands with him to find out if they could)
-
the importance of loyalty- how its something that cant be demanded, it has to be earned.
-
That many so called masters hide behind a veneer of invincibility because they have no real skill. They then lead their students round in circles by holding back techniques, changing things periodically, adding ‘new’ techniques on an ad hoc and arbritrary basis etc.
In terms of technique
- He turns on the arch/ball of the foot not the heel.
(My View: By pivoting on your heels you divert force away from your centre of gravity, by pivoting on the balls of your feet you divert your centre of gravity away from force. They both work if done properly) - He puts all his weight on the back leg, (this prevents the front leg from being swept and allows you to kick without telegraphing it)
- The feet are parallel to one another with the rear foot pointing in the same direction as the front one.
- The knees/les are close together to protect the groin from kicks
-when stepping the feet are on one line not two i.e. they dont double track
-the hips face forward so that both hands are an equal distance from the opponent
-when entering an opponent/taking up their position the front leg checks/monitors their front leg (he doesnt just step up the middle)
-when stepping in the foot circles right across first to ‘slip/pass’ any incoming kicks which your opponent may launch
-The hand shapes (bong/tan) create a kind of protective sphere which you rotate via your stance to deflect force away from your cog. At no point do you collapse your shapes/let the enemy penetrate your sphere.
Drills:
1)Turning the stance
2)From YGKYM Circle stepping in and punching then returning to YGKYM
3)Arrow stepping and punching up and down the room
4)Squaring off with a partner. The partner steps back and you have to try and hit them in the chest using one step. As you do this they try and sweep your front leg or kick you in the groin (this was to test whether you were back weighted and whether your feet were on one line (thereby protecting your groin).
5)Again with a partner. They try and kick your knees. You Circle step in and slip/pass the kicks.
6)Dan chi sau with stepping back and forth
7)Chi sau. They step in and palm strike from tan, you turn and jum sau, then you pak sau and they ‘roll’ their bong over to wu sau
8)With a partner. You both stand in YGKYM and punch each others punches – cross arm and parallel arm – both indoor and outdoor gates
9)Same again but you stand in a front stance/biu ma
10)Kicking- your partner does thai kicks and you kick the kick
Seminar 2
Emin said:
Basic Theory
Everyone knows that wing chun is scientific – but what does that mean. How is it scientific?
In wing chun we seek to defend our trunk i.e. the bottle shaped area from our groin to our head. The reason why is because this contains all our vital organs. If any one of these is damaged we cant live – our limbs in contrast we can live without (this fact is demonstrated by amputees).
We defend this area with the man sau wu sau structure. So the man sau wu sau is our guard – But how exactly does it protect our trunk?
Science (and common sense) tells us that there are three dimensions of space and one of time. So our guard must take account of that fact if it is to be effective.
By drawing a vertical (mid) line we divide the torso into left and right. By drawing a horizontal (mid) line we divide it into upper and lower. Finally we draw a 180 degree curve from the crown to the groin. The man sau wu sau shape is thus an equal distance from each point of this 3d map of the torso.
Moreover by facing the opponent (presenting his target to him) we determine what his attack will be (i.e. ensuring that his attack will come from a direction we have covered). This also means that both hands are an equal distance from the target (allowing for simultaneous attack and defence)
In this way we are now occupying the centreline.
All these elements together enable the guard to act as a wedge/3d protective shield against any incoming attack
But a wedge on its own is not sufficient. The missing ingredient is forward force.
So we must intercept our opponents forward force with our own forward force. Our limbs are like a spring i.e. if our opponents forward force is too much/greater than ours the spring becomes suppressed (loaded with potential energy) and we turn naturally into one of the four passive positions in order to neutralise their greater force.
It is also important that once in contact with an opponent our elbows (intercepting bridges) maintain the fixed distance from the body – this creates a buffer zone or air bag that our opponents attack must not penetrate.
Other things to note –
- The centre line is not a vertical line down the centre of the body – this is the axis.
- your organs are not all stacked on top of one another straight down the centre (e.g. your eyes))
- The guard (man sau/wu sau) isn’t ‘fixed’- You do make adjustments relative to your opponent e.g. a basketball player vs a midget. Or a very wide guy. (he used the example of tan sau and got two people to link arms to make one wide person)
Other points.
Ng Mui was a member of a religious order. In times gone by all scientific knowledge –astronomy, medicine, maths - was kept by priests and monks. Kings and sultans would rely on these people to advise them.
Science is a universal language – 1x1=1 is true no matter what culture you are from.
Ng Mui already knew the theory of wing chun. All she needed was yim wing chun to develop how to apply it against someone.
SLT has many ideas/concepts – not just one. These concepts can be extrapolated and applied in many different scenarios – facing the target, covering the centre, seeking the path of least resistance, economy of motion etc.
You have to be critical of wing chun - the worst thing you can be is complacent. Wing chun is still the best for self defence for the average person though.
Drills:
1)A punches, b turns and bong saus. A tests Bs structure by pushing in. (note : their bong sau is slightly higher and the elbow is on the centre and the wrist in line with the far hip)
2)Same agin but with tan sau (note: when turning there is a complete lateral shift of the body but you are still facing them at forty five degree angle when you complete the turn so the rear hand is still in range to hit). The tan sau in application is like our lan sau. The finished tan sau position is the same as the beginning of slt when you cross your arms
3)Turn with tan/bong again but now another person tries to pick your leg up. You must keep it on the floor using your adductor muscles.
4)You then counter punch as well – here you must maintain your structure against the push on the tan and the pull on the leg.
Chi Sau-
A comes in with pak sau and b uses kau sau and shift to defend.
A comes in with palm strike to face and B uses chum sau and shift to defend.
A comes in with double punch and B uses Kwan sau to defend.
Anti Grappling
to be discussed later…
Originally posted by Ernie
Nick!
Great post man, I love to see when people travel out of the box and gain new experience then bring it back home to WC, much respect brother and great example
Thanks for the kind words mate.
Originally posted by Ernie
[B]I had a chance to spend a few minutes with BJJ/WT man from this forum [Dhira]
It was a awesome experience, really made me think on a few levels had hip out of range and my center facing also monitor were he was trying to go and be aware of the next route he would take after I defended the first attack line [/B]
If he is a purple belt i have an idea of his level (formidable). But try a BB some time if you get the chance. I rolled with Ricardo Viera recently - ranked 1 in the world in his weight class. Its a whole other level. Dale franks (knifefighter) is a BB. Maybe you could hook up with him.
Originally posted by Ernie
Keeping air space [I was on my back the whole time] was the thing that kept me in the game, it was fun and once I stopped my survival tactics and actually let him guide and coach me it was very simple, many skills transferred right over from other training, some in concept others is feeling and position
Yep. I had the same experience.
As I believe Andrew N commented - whats the worse that can happen? You learn something new and have a good time.
You have to be critical of wing chun - the worst thing you can be is complacent.
Amen to that. Proper criticism doesn’t weaken, it strengthens. Complacency, OTOH, is ALWAYS detrimental.
Thanks for taking the time to reproduce that Nick. You sure trained with some interesting people!!!
Like i said, im sure a lesson on anti grappling is easily arranged, Al’s so laid back he’s horizontal. So offer remains open. Im sure we can argue the merits of our different approaches to fitness over a pint afterwards as well!
Interestling enough we ran a personal protection seminar this weekend and one of my buddies 16stone grappler attended so i took a few inevitable visits to the deck myself. Photos will go up soon on Al’s site blood/gore and all.
Cheers again. Oh,its my girls birthday this wkend so am unable to attend weapons seminar. Should you go would you mind another write up?
Kev B
Yes - I will try and do a write up on the weapons seminar. Im usually pretty meticulous about note taking (you should see the wing chun notes i’ve accumulated over the years! although my BJJ ones are starting to catch up!).
If its primarily FMA i.e. kali/escrima im already fairly familiar with that or at least the lacoste/insoanto take on it so i may do one big FMA thing.
As always time is a factor though…
Last month I had the chance to roll with Murillo Bustamante. Actually, after his seminar, Busta lined the 30 participants up (including UFC & TKO fighters, and competitive purple and brown belts in BJJ) and (gently) clowned everyone one after the other. At the end, he apologized for having a broken hand due to his recent PrideFC fight, and promised to give everyone a better go next time.
Fun times, and a real learning experience about what can be developed under progressive training with resistant partners.
Re: For Kev B and anyone else who is interested
Originally posted by Nick Forrer
[B]Note: Emin Seminar 1 is what I posted before. Emin seminar 2 is all new material.
Any credit goes to Emin -IMO an excellent teacher and fighter. Any mistakes/errors are mine and mine alone.
Emin Seminar:1
Emin talked about the following things:
-
The fact that wing chun is scientific and based on well established principle of geometry, physics, psychology and anatomy and physiology
-
the history of wing chun- how ng mui invented the art as we know it almost in its entirety but how every generation must do their best to help the art evolve otherwise it just becomes a doctrine/dogma (he felt hed done that with his wing chun - e.g. his anti grappling program).
-
That to be good at wing chun you need two things: the motivation to train very hard and an open mind- not to mindlessly parrot your teacher but to question everything they show you and to try it out for yourself (he was very emphatic on this point)
-
That people spend ages on fancy chi sau, learning lots of moves and get lulled into a false sense of security by cooperative training partners (a blind leading the blind scenario). However these same people cant even do the basic move with any real power (just stepping in and punching). If you can do this right then in almost all fights all the other techniques are unnecessary (all the so called ‘masters’ he’d met couldn’t even stop his basic punch or wouldn’t even cross hands with him to find out if they could)
-
the importance of loyalty- how its something that cant be demanded, it has to be earned.
-
That many so called masters hide behind a veneer of invincibility because they have no real skill. They then lead their students round in circles by holding back techniques, changing things periodically, adding ‘new’ techniques on an ad hoc and arbritrary basis etc.
In terms of technique
- He turns on the arch/ball of the foot not the heel.
(My View: By pivoting on your heels you divert force away from your centre of gravity, by pivoting on the balls of your feet you divert your centre of gravity away from force. They both work if done properly) - He puts all his weight on the back leg, (this prevents the front leg from being swept and allows you to kick without telegraphing it)
- The feet are parallel to one another with the rear foot pointing in the same direction as the front one.
- The knees/les are close together to protect the groin from kicks
-when stepping the feet are on one line not two i.e. they dont double track
-the hips face forward so that both hands are an equal distance from the opponent
-when entering an opponent/taking up their position the front leg checks/monitors their front leg (he doesnt just step up the middle)
-when stepping in the foot circles right across first to ‘slip/pass’ any incoming kicks which your opponent may launch
-The hand shapes (bong/tan) create a kind of protective sphere which you rotate via your stance to deflect force away from your cog. At no point do you collapse your shapes/let the enemy penetrate your sphere.
Drills:
1)Turning the stance
2)From YGKYM Circle stepping in and punching then returning to YGKYM
3)Arrow stepping and punching up and down the room
4)Squaring off with a partner. The partner steps back and you have to try and hit them in the chest using one step. As you do this they try and sweep your front leg or kick you in the groin (this was to test whether you were back weighted and whether your feet were on one line (thereby protecting your groin).
5)Again with a partner. They try and kick your knees. You Circle step in and slip/pass the kicks.
6)Dan chi sau with stepping back and forth
7)Chi sau. They step in and palm strike from tan, you turn and jum sau, then you pak sau and they ‘roll’ their bong over to wu sau
8)With a partner. You both stand in YGKYM and punch each others punches – cross arm and parallel arm – both indoor and outdoor gates
9)Same again but you stand in a front stance/biu ma
10)Kicking- your partner does thai kicks and you kick the kick
Seminar 2
Emin said:
Basic Theory
Everyone knows that wing chun is scientific – but what does that mean. How is it scientific?
In wing chun we seek to defend our trunk i.e. the bottle shaped area from our groin to our head. The reason why is because this contains all our vital organs. If any one of these is damaged we cant live – our limbs in contrast we can live without (this fact is demonstrated by amputees).
We defend this area with the man sau wu sau structure. So the man sau wu sau is our guard – But how exactly does it protect our trunk?
Science (and common sense) tells us that there are three dimensions of space and one of time. So our guard must take account of that fact if it is to be effective.
By drawing a vertical (mid) line we divide the torso into left and right. By drawing a horizontal (mid) line we divide it into upper and lower. Finally we draw a 180 degree curve from the crown to the groin. The man sau wu sau shape is thus an equal distance from each point of this 3d map of the torso.
Moreover by facing the opponent (presenting his target to him) we determine what his attack will be (i.e. ensuring that his attack will come from a direction we have covered). This also means that both hands are an equal distance from the target (allowing for simultaneous attack and defence)
In this way we are now occupying the centreline.
All these elements together enable the guard to act as a wedge/3d protective shield against any incoming attack
But a wedge on its own is not sufficient. The missing ingredient is forward force.
So we must intercept our opponents forward force with our own forward force. Our limbs are like a spring i.e. if our opponents forward force is too much/greater than ours the spring becomes suppressed (loaded with potential energy) and we turn naturally into one of the four passive positions in order to neutralise their greater force.
It is also important that once in contact with an opponent our elbows (intercepting bridges) maintain the fixed distance from the body – this creates a buffer zone or air bag that our opponents attack must not penetrate.
Other things to note –
- The centre line is not a vertical line down the centre of the body – this is the axis.
- your organs are not all stacked on top of one another straight down the centre (e.g. your eyes))
- The guard (man sau/wu sau) isn’t ‘fixed’- You do make adjustments relative to your opponent e.g. a basketball player vs a midget. Or a very wide guy. (he used the example of tan sau and got two people to link arms to make one wide person)
Other points.
Ng Mui was a member of a religious order. In times gone by all scientific knowledge –astronomy, medicine, maths - was kept by priests and monks. Kings and sultans would rely on these people to advise them.
Science is a universal language – 1x1=1 is true no matter what culture you are from.
Ng Mui already knew the theory of wing chun. All she needed was yim wing chun to develop how to apply it against someone.
SLT has many ideas/concepts – not just one. These concepts can be extrapolated and applied in many different scenarios – facing the target, covering the centre, seeking the path of least resistance, economy of motion etc.
You have to be critical of wing chun - the worst thing you can be is complacent. Wing chun is still the best for self defence for the average person though.
Drills:
1)A punches, b turns and bong saus. A tests Bs structure by pushing in. (note : their bong sau is slightly higher and the elbow is on the centre and the wrist in line with the far hip)
2)Same agin but with tan sau (note: when turning there is a complete lateral shift of the body but you are still facing them at forty five degree angle when you complete the turn so the rear hand is still in range to hit). The tan sau in application is like our lan sau. The finished tan sau position is the same as the beginning of slt when you cross your arms
3)Turn with tan/bong again but now another person tries to pick your leg up. You must keep it on the floor using your adductor muscles.
4)You then counter punch as well – here you must maintain your structure against the push on the tan and the pull on the leg.
Chi Sau-
A comes in with pak sau and b uses kau sau and shift to defend.
A comes in with palm strike to face and B uses chum sau and shift to defend.
A comes in with double punch and B uses Kwan sau to defend.
Anti Grappling
to be discussed later… [/B]
Allot of what you said Nick is on some of Emin’s tapes( the Chi-sao one and Lat Sao ones). I like the concept of forward pressure as a wedge, and elbow positioning and keeping a buffer zone between the body and elbow. Good stuff, very interesting thread indeed.
James
ah,yes training talk.real world fight=wobbly legs and hands!
Russ
Sqeeze his nuts
I don’t want to be a party pooper, but there are some interesting points that I’m picking up here…
Quote:Keeping air space [I was on my back the whole time] was the thing that kept me in the game, it was fun and once I stopped my survival tactics and actually let him guide and coach me it was very simple, many skills transferred right over from other training, some in concept others is feeling and position
Ernie: are you saying you prevented him from appying his techniques by cheating? Why would you bother whether you are cheating or not as long as it works?
From a wing chun perspective, I can’t understand why its practitioners don’t use the most direct, simplistic and efficient approach. As long as you can get back up by biting, clawing, sqeezing the balls, etc., etc., you will be able to fight in your game. Why complicate matters by trying to fight on the ground?
In any compromising position, your priority is to get back into position, not try and fight in that position. For example, if someone has hold of your fingers, would you learn how to fight in a finger lock, or would your priority be to get out of the lock and fight your normal way? If someone grabbed hold of your hair, would you stay in that position or get out and fight your normal fight?
It’s a very good idea to practice a game plan should you end on the ground, but only a foolish wing chun practitioner would continue to fight on the ground. If you could get up, why stay down? Even better, prevention is better than cure. As a wing chun fighter, isn’t it better to invest your time on take down prevention rather than learning to fight on the ground?
Re: Sqeeze his nuts
Originally posted by chisauking
[B]I
Ernie: are you saying you prevented him from appying his techniques by cheating? Why would you bother whether you are cheating or not as long as it works?
[/B]
Chi sau king,
You have to look at things from 2 angles, you can just keep proving your tricks work and learn nothing new, or you can put away your bag of tricks and learn
Dirty tactics will not just magically work, by saying them in your head over and over and clicking your heels =)
Like most sport guys say you won’t pull it off or you won’t end the fight, this is true
But if you train when and were to apply them off of guys that are working their game on you then you develop the feeling and timing to insert you [dirty tactic]
The only reason you want to bite or dig in his eye attack the groin and so on, is to create space, a moment in time, surprise take him out of his game for a mental second, but you have to be able to capitalize on that moment with escape or gaining a better position
If you remove your dirty tactics and get the feeling of the escape and controlling position with the use of such tricks, when you add them in they are amplified
For years I have always trained with the mindset to circumvent peoples game, I enjoy f*cking peoples mindset up =)
And I have had a fairly good consistency rate with it,
But I could never evolve past that point, you see when you all you got is the Hail Mary
You cannot grow,
Just like the Wing Chun straight blast people that always rely on that Hail Mary tactic
Never get better, there sensitivity and understanding of position and timing, how to flow and capitalize on a persons energy or motion never get developed to a high degree
You will see very skilled wing Chun people never blast they don’t need to
Same thing hear I had to unplug my desperation survival mindset to better understand my position, what he was doing and how to pick up on the information his motion was giving me
This is how you learn, you can still play your game but you have to spend time in there game to see where your game is most efficient and along the way pick up the basic foundation and structure of there game so you can see how to disrupt it for a second
Personally I have no desire to be a ground guy at all, I’m not into whole competitive mindset, I like keeping my mindset street, not wing chun that is to limiting, but street, use what ever it takes to terminate the person in front of you in anyway possible
But to be able to work on that you have to spend time addressing the most common energies you will deal with, being on your back in a street fight is common with more then one person giving you a shoe job or holding you down. You can’t fish hook or eye jab or what ever a guy while you protecting your face from a few feet and fist bombing down but if you program your body to react by way of feeling and escaping position
Then that is just one more tool to help you survive
You have to be willing to leave your preconceived notions at the door and really experience it for yourself,
Just like you should jump in with a skilled boxer and try your game and see how they work
A good Thai guy, a good kick boxer,
Just 2 arms and 2 legs and a few different ways to use them, not really all that complicated, if you get in there and see what’s going on
I like what Ernie says in this last post of his. He basically let the other guy do what he does so he could learn and feel what he was doing instead of trying right off the bat to get out of it. It was a learning experience for him and since it was not a “real fight”, he had no pressure to counter the moves being done to him. I like to do the same with Martial Artists that I don’t know and are curious about things I do as I am about what they do.
They say if you never made mistakes you would never learn anything, so sometimes it is required to mistake once in a while to absorb what is useful and reject what is useless for you.
James
I can’t understand why its practitioners don’t use the most direct, simplistic and efficient approach.
What you are describing is not the most direct, simplistic and efficient approach.
Your inability to understand is an issue for you, not anyone else.
As long as you can get back up by biting, clawing, sqeezing the balls, etc., etc., you will be able to fight in your game.
It’s highly unlikely that you will be able to do this against a skilled person. He on the other will be IDEALLY situated to do all that stuff to you from a superior position.
Why complicate matters by trying to fight on the ground?
Taking that “logic” further, why complicate matters by learning to fight standing up? You’ll always be able to bite, claw and squeeze, won’t you, so why bother learning all that wasteful punching and kicking crap?
Re: Sqeeze his nuts
Originally posted by chisauking
[
From a wing chun perspective, I can’t understand why its practitioners don’t use the most direct, simplistic and efficient approach. As long as you can get back up by biting, clawing, sqeezing the balls, etc., etc., you will be able to fight in your game. Why complicate matters by trying to fight on the ground?
**I agree totally. As a famous Sifu said “if you spend more time practicing fighting standing up you wont find yourself on the ground”.
It’s a very good idea to practice a game plan should you end on the ground, but only a foolish wing chun practitioner would continue to fight on the ground. If you could get up, why stay down? Even better, prevention is better than cure. As a wing chun fighter, isn’t it better to invest your time on take down prevention rather than learning to fight on the ground? [/B]
**Exactly!
Dave
Even better, prevention is better than cure. As a wing chun fighter, isn’t it better to invest your time on take down prevention rather than learning to fight on the ground?
I think you have to work the worst case scenario to some degree, which includes you getting taken down and pinned.
To learn takedown defense, best way is to learn takedowns. If you and your buds want to learn takedown defense, you better learn good takedowns so what you are practicing defense against is real rather than kidding yourself regarding the efficacy of what you are doing.
As a famous Sifu said “if you spend more time practicing fighting standing up you wont find yourself on the ground”.
Appeal to authority. And, other “famous Sifus” have other opinions.
ha ha man anything that starts with [ sifu said ] even worse famous sifu said
tells you all you need to know
talk to me when you start out by saying [ well i jumped in and tried it and this is what I ‘’ not sifu said’’ discovered :o
but i know that would be to much like right 
back seat driver line please stay in the back
real life experience please step forward
re: Grab his nuts
Originally posted by Ernie
real life experience please step forward
Here are a few from experience for all those in the “just grab his nuts if he is controlling you on the ground” crowd.
1- One guy has side control.
2- One guy has the other in his guard.
3- One guy is mounted.
Each person is going for the nutz grab trick in each scenario. Check out the success rates of each person in the three positions.
Here’s another one. Start from the mount. Person on the bottom wears full face boxing head gear or equivalent. Top person wears elbow pads. Top person throws elbows while bottom person tries to grab the jewels.
Here’s another one. Start from the mount. Person on the bottom wears full face boxing head gear or equivalent. Top person wears elbow pads. Top person throws elbows while bottom person tries to grab the jewels.
can i umpa [ i think that is what you call it ] slide down and bite him in the nuts [ i have done this and bit the inner thigh , he left air space while he was loading up his shots and i bucked up slide down and bit , this was not a skilled BJJ guy
another thing i pulled of once on cement was same position buy was bombing down on me i tried to reach up and give him a eye massage , it didn’t work he almost locked my arm sice i was stiff arming up [ leaned that is a big no no ] then i was able to swim the punches and snag his neck i pulled with all i had and smashed his head into the cement over my right shouder
but he was pumped had to do it a few times before he slowed up and yes there was blood
again not a very skilled ground guy gut he was a BJJ dude with that i can take you on cement attitude
now i know i got lucky and it won’t work the same way twice
so better to get in and learn more =)
1- One guy has side control.
slip under his arm and bite the lat or rib area , or over his arm and bite the face ,check ear area , but hold him tighjt so he can’t pull away , rip in with your teeth as much as you can till you feel him freaking out and getting tight
this is a common kina muy thai position
2- One guy has the other in his guard.
have to be there and feel my way around
3- One guy is mounted.
been able to slide down between the legs with the elbow on the nuts and grind with the tip of my elbow while the guy on the bottom was going for my head on the chest type pin
all lucky stuff i know but has all happened for me
What Andrew, Ernie, knifefighter bring to the discussion is experience – and that’s why they are worth listening to (and taking to heart). All persons with significant groundfighting experience will say the same things because they have experiencee the reality of that situation for themselves, and don’t need to rely on theory, hearsay, sifu-sez, etc. For those who just refuse to believe what all the experienced fighters have to say – and continue to think that “foul tactics” will save your @ss – then give it a try and see for yourself.