me and my brother had a day off work and was messing around in my garage just a little light chisau, sparring and rolling, also a clip of my son and my bro having a light roll, im of the wsl line (6 yrs) and roger gracie affiliated school (6 months)
flame away 
pt 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfrEXEqnF8s
pt 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoFXh8J_v94
my son and my bro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe5v2Gai9hk
nice,
and this is an answer how to apply wingchun in other fighting situations.
thanks for sharing
Pulling guard from chi sau? Youâre going to get yelled at for doing that 
Very nice!
thanks for the positive feedback guys
Where is the WSL Wing Chun�
[QUOTE=Dave P;788377]Where is the WSL Wing Chun�[/QUOTE]
with WSL in the grave unfortunately 
im doing CJWC which is a little push pull a little destruction and a little bit crap 
[QUOTE=Dave P;788377]Where is the WSL Wing Chun�[/QUOTE]
Only in TMA do you hear cr@p like this. I canât imagine hearing, âwhere is the (BJJ, wrestling, boxing, Muay Thai, or Sambo)?â from someone who practices one of those disciplines.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;788417]Only in TMA do you hear cr@p like this. I canât imagine hearing, âwhere is the (BJJ, wrestling, boxing, Muay Thai, or Sambo)?â from someone who practices one of those disciplines.[/QUOTE]
;) its funny but it would seem from a couple of forums i visit that pb guys seem to have this ridgid view of wsl wing chun and that they are the inheritors of the system when i never said IT was wsl wing chun i was doing merely that i have learned wslvt via nino bernardo who himself states that he teaches nino bernardo wing chun as wsl is dead and i can only do cj wing chun because nino is the only one who can do nino wing chun but some people seem to think they are actually doing someone elses wing chun!!! as nino said (because i cant say it any better) âthe only person qualified to teach wsl wing chun is unfortunatley dead but i can show you what i think i learned from himâ this comes from a guy who spent years training 4 hours a DAY with wong sifu not a few visits and a couple of seminars! it seems the ones who truly learned teach THIEIR STUFF ie:gary lam teaches glvt nino teaches nino bernardo wing chun and so on and so on while others who were shall we say less enlightened try and teach someone elses stuff???
[QUOTE=forever young;788305]
my son and my bro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe5v2Gai9hk[/QUOTE]
Iâm hot cuz Iâm fly.
You ainât cuz you not.
WHAT HAPPENED TO MUSIC THESE DAYS?!?!
Nice vids nonetheless.
All the best,
Kenton Sefcik
[QUOTE=couch;788432]WHAT HAPPENED TO MUSIC THESE DAYS?!?!
[/QUOTE]
Kenton,
Itâs not the music, youâre just getting old.
Welcome to the club.
Bill
[QUOTE=couch;788432]Iâm hot cuz Iâm fly.
You ainât cuz you not.
WHAT HAPPENED TO MUSIC THESE DAYS?!?!
Nice vids nonetheless.
All the best,
Kenton Sefcik[/QUOTE]
thank you for the positive feedback much appreciated im just a lowly maggot trying to learn some applicable skills but one day ill rule the world
[QUOTE=forever young;788422];) its funny but it would seem from a couple of forums i visit that pb guys seem to have this ridgid view of wsl wing chun and that they are the inheritors of the system when i never said IT was wsl wing chun i was doing merely that i have learned wslvt via nino bernardo who himself states that he teaches nino bernardo wing chun as wsl is dead and i can only do cj wing chun because nino is the only one who can do nino wing chun but some people seem to think they are actually doing someone elses wing chun!!! as nino said (because i cant say it any better) âthe only person qualified to teach wsl wing chun is unfortunatley dead but i can show you what i think i learned from himâ this comes from a guy who spent years training 4 hours a DAY with wong sifu not a few visits and a couple of seminars! it seems the ones who truly learned teach THIEIR STUFF ie:gary lam teaches glvt nino teaches nino bernardo wing chun and so on and so on while others who were shall we say less enlightened try and teach someone elses stuff???[/QUOTE]
Ok, consider it as a wordplay if you like. You use the same wordplay in your reply⌠As I mentioned WSL wing chun. I actually ment WSL lineage wing chun. Ofcourse the is Gary Lam WC, Philipp Bayer WC, David Peterson WC or Nino Bernardo WC⌠I 100 agree on this⌠as every teacher has his own flavourâŚ
Concerning the PB guys that have a rigid viewâŚWe practice PB Ving Tsun and yes we are together with the other WSL lineage followers ( so you too) , inheritants of WSLâs great view on the system. I may say that I am proud of that as we learn about this trough our own teachers⌠We are taught the teachings of our teachers teacherâŚBut any person of this lineage may say soâŚ
The critics I had were on the clips.. I could also say⌠Where is the WC�
I have learned the system doestnât have any groundwork involved. Some systems added it later. (Especially ith the UFC time period) Some systems like to mix with BJJ and so. These clips show me a mixture where WC is hard to find⌠The mentioning of the WSL (lineage) WC system has arrised me some doubts as I may sayâŚ
Instead of saying where is the WCK or WCK brand X perhaps it would be more helpful to discuss what particular elements, techniques, applications, energy, position, movement, etc, we should be seeing, or should be part of the training <that isnât> and whyâŚ
I am sorry, but I have no experience with BJJ and groundfighting, neither with wrestling only with Ving Tsun. So I am not able to discuss that on this topicâŚ:o
[QUOTE=forever young;788305]me and my brother had a day off work and was messing around in my garage just a little light chisau, sparring and rolling, also a clip of my son and my bro having a light roll, im of the wsl line (6 yrs) and roger gracie affiliated school (6 months)
flame away
[/QUOTE]
I like your garage gym. Makes it convenient to get out and play around. You guys werenât going real hard or anything. I have to laugh at a couple of white boys + the radio version of 50 Cent in the first clip.
[QUOTE=Dave P;788489]Ok, consider it as a wordplay if you like. You use the same wordplay in your reply⌠As I mentioned WSL wing chun. I actually ment WSL lineage wing chun. Ofcourse the is Gary Lam WC, Philipp Bayer WC, David Peterson WC or Nino Bernardo WC⌠I 100% agree on this⌠as every teacher has his own flavourâŚ
[/QUOTE]
This stems from seeing WCK differently than any other athletic activity/sport. No one would talk this way about boxing or wrestling or basketball. Lineage is who taught whom, not in how or what you do. You go to a golf pro to help your golf game, not to do his golf or play like him.
âFlavorâ is another of the TMA buzzwords. In any functional atheltic activity/sport, everyone who âplaysâ the game will âplayâ it differently. The fundamentals of that activity are the same; how a person uses those fundamentals depends on their skill level, physical characteristics, talents, experience, etc.
Concerning the PB guys that have a rigid viewâŚWe practice PB Ving Tsun and yes we are together with the other WSL lineage followers ( so you too) , inheritants of WSLâs great view on the system. I may say that I am proud of that as we learn about this trough our own teachers⌠We are taught the teachings of our teachers teacherâŚBut any person of this lineage may say soâŚ
This is what traditional guys donât âgetâ â you inherit nothing. The only things that can be taught are the fundamental skills, and those only by someone who has learned and developed the fundamental skills themselves. Thatâs it. When you learn golf or basketball or wrestling or boxing you are not being taught the âteachings of our teacherâs teacherâ â what good athlete even thinks that way? Lineage is BS.
The critics I had were on the clips.. I could also say⌠Where is the WC�
I have learned the system doestnât have any groundwork involved. Some systems added it later. (Especially ith the UFC time period) Some systems like to mix with BJJ and so. These clips show me a mixture where WC is hard to find⌠The mentioning of the WSL (lineage) WC system has arrised me some doubts as I may sayâŚ
Questions like âwhere is the WCK?â I think miss the point â because they are based on an assumption on the part of the person asking the question as to what WCK âisâ or âshould beâ (their âtheoryâ of WCK). A better question is IMO: are they using in fighting those things that they are training to do? In other words, does their learning-training/practice-fighting correspond 1-to-1-to-1? If so, and they are geting good results, who can say they are wrong?
In my experience, the reality of fighting involves stand up (free movement), clinch (standing contact/grappling), and ground, and unless one side gets lucky or has a significant advantage in skill, it is very likely that the fight will involve these various aspects. If you are not prepared to deal with them, you will suffer. To be a good, well-rounded fighter, a person needs to be familiar with and skilled in all three aspects. When any stand-up fighter begins to take the other aspects into account in their training, it will change their game â thatâs what happens to MT and boxers who do MMA, for instance. They canât do the same things the same way because by doing so it creates opportunites to be taken down. So they will , if they want to be successful, âadjustâ their games accordingly. It is the same for WCK.
[QUOTE=Wayfaring;788499]I like your garage gym. Makes it convenient to get out and play around. You guys werenât going real hard or anything. I have to laugh at a couple of white boys + the radio version of 50 Cent in the first clip.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the compliments and re the white boys
bingo bango im my opinion since i started meeting guys from other âsystemsâ in an full contact scenario it has definately changed my wing chun altho i still train it in a âtraditionalâ sense as well as mix it up
this would be appreciated as while im sure we all know you cant learn from the 'tinternet it is always helpfull to get tips/hints and opinions on how any training might be improved.
thanks again for any and all comments good bad or ugly
i would just like to quote myself from another forum for clarity
just a little clarification as to what was actually happening
I liked it. Itâs the way ALL people should train. All the rangesâregardless of what style(s) are chosen.
Thanks for the clips!
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;788514]This stems from seeing WCK differently than any other athletic activity/sport. No one would talk this way about boxing or wrestling or basketball. Lineage is who taught whom, not in how or what you do. You go to a golf pro to help your golf game, not to do his golf or play like him. [/quote]
WC is not any other athletic activity/sport. Itâs not like boxing or wrestling. Itâs WC and unfortunately the WC lineages differ so much⌠Itâs like comparing appels with pears. The fundamentals SHOULD be the same. (just like with playing golf or tennisâŚ) Itâs not wrong to learn from our teachers or teachers teachers. As long as you as still learning the skills yourselfâŚ
âFlavorâ is another of the TMA buzzwords. In any functional atheltic activity/sport, everyone who âplaysâ the game will âplayâ it differently. The fundamentals of that activity are the same; how a person uses those fundamentals depends on their skill level, physical characteristics, talents, experience, etc.
AbsolutelyâŚ
This is what traditional guys donât âgetâ â you inherit nothing. The only things that can be taught are the fundamental skills, and those only by someone who has learned and developed the fundamental skills themselves. Thatâs it.
Itâs a wordplay again. Of course you all have to develop it yourself, but itâs the teachings you learn them from. And the insights you develop trough you teachings AND personal experience. Your not inventing the whole system again like inventing the wheelâŚ
When you learn golf or basketball or wrestling or boxing you are not being taught the âteachings of our teacherâs teacherâ â what good athlete even thinks that way? Lineage is BS.
Itâs not golf or basketbal, wrestling or boxing. The game is different and if I may sayâŚmore complex⌠Lineage should be BS. But as I earlier stated. There is too much difference⌠But that doesnât take away that we should respect each other..
Questions like âwhere is the WCK?â I think miss the point â because they are based on an assumption on the part of the person asking the question as to what WCK âisâ or âshould beâ (their âtheoryâ of WCK). A better question is IMO: are they using in fighting those things that they are training to do? In other words, does their learning-training/practice-fighting correspond 1-to-1-to-1? If so, and they are geting good results, who can say they are wrong?
OK, âŚAs we all know the principles of WC and the basic conceptsâŚIMO the shown videos are showing some playing and mixture with more than 90% none WC thingsâŚOfcourse anyone should play around and experience other systems. But where are we going? Is this the future of our system? An uncontrolled mixture of all systems?
In my experience, the reality of fighting involves stand up (free movement), clinch (standing contact/grappling), and ground, and unless one side gets lucky or has a significant advantage in skill, it is very likely that the fight will involve these various aspects. If you are not prepared to deal with them, you will suffer. To be a good, well-rounded fighter, a person needs to be familiar with and skilled in all three aspects. When any stand-up fighter begins to take the other aspects into account in their training, it will change their game â thatâs what happens to MT and boxers who do MMA, for instance. They canât do the same things the same way because by doing so it creates opportunites to be taken down. So they will , if they want to be successful, âadjustâ their games accordingly. It is the same for WCK.
I agree with you on getting familiar with different aspects of fighting. But I only use WC to solve the problems. I donât want to learn BJJ to deal with ground fighters. I donât want to lear Muay Thai to deal with clinches. But I like to train with those guys to make my WC betterâŚTo get inside their brains and learn how the are thinking in combatâŚOnly this way I learn how my WC can deal with it. I donât want to learn different systems to be able to solve all problems possible. A BJJ guy is more experienced in BJJ I should need to learn his system to fight him on his game. I should make my WC skills betterâŚ