[QUOTE=Ali. R;904424]So your saying that the person above my post is doing just fine, and I should follow his lead… Let’s face it, you check me, and I’ll you back… What’s right is right and should not be one-sided…
Ali Rahim.[/QUOTE]
He may be acting like an ass, but what does you doing the same get you?
Tell him and not me, you seen where it came from…
Ali Rahim
I may be acting like an ass. But this chump is definitely posting a constant stream of pompous, supercilious, preachy, made-up, whiffly, nonsensical, unintelligible, worthless, tangential, LARPing, over-theoretical bull SH!T! It’s just fun to call him on it once in a while 
So anyway, yeah, Ali, I got lost in the tangle of your, I’m sure well-choosed verbage there, mate, was I a follower or a puppet or both?
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;904436]I got lost in the tangle of your, I’m sure well-choosed verbage there, mate, was I a follower or a puppet or both? [/QUOTE]
All of the above…
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;904436]I may be acting like an ass. But this chump is definitely posting a constant stream of pompous, supercilious, preachy, made-up, whiffly, nonsensical, unintelligible, worthless, tangential, LARPing, over-theoretical bull SH!T! It’s just fun to call him on it once in a while
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Now, you and I said our peace, and I understand how others feel about your non-sense, it only makes sense to never respond to you once again…
But before I blackball you mentally, point out something in that article that you may not understand or disapprove of, that would help your earlier statement of disapproval, just give us something worth thought dealing with the ideal or usage of defensive structures, and how one would minimize their afford and maintain softness at the same time…
Make your case,
Ali Rahim.
[QUOTE=Ali. R;904450]…it only makes sense to never respond to you once again… [/quote]Admit it! You love it!
But before I blackball you mentally, point out something in that article that you may not understand or disapprove of, …that would help your earlier statement of disapproval,
Make your case,
OK. I don’t know if any useful discussion will come of it, but I’ll start a thread to keep this crap out of this one.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;904416]I was actually directing that to Rik ( Ten Tigers).
And yes you did make the distinction clear, even for those of us with lack of chi ;)[/QUOTE]
[SIZE=“5”]PHEW!!![/SIZE]
Oh… so that “you two” musta binna typo? :rolleyes:
I just started Hung Gar in December. The only thing I know of Wing Chun is from the movie Ip Man. With the Hung Gar, just doing the form work is so strenuous that there is no need for extra conditioning. If learning Wing Chung is just about technique, w/o low stances, then that sounds pretty interesting but quite different.
Wing Chun does include low horse stance in it’s pole form… but its definately not as emphasized as in Hung Gar. The differences and the similarities in the Southern styles can be intriguing.
[QUOTE=wetwonder;905598]I just started Hung Gar in December. The only thing I know of Wing Chun is from the movie Ip Man. With the Hung Gar, just doing the form work is so strenuous that there is no need for extra conditioning. If learning Wing Chung is just about technique, w/o low stances, then that sounds pretty interesting but quite different.[/QUOTE]
In our Wing Chun school the training is not just about technique but also conditioning. A lot of situps, pull ups on the horizontal bar, low (shaolin type) stance training; animal walking; other resistance training and of course Iron Palm topped up with plenty of qi gong exercises.
Then come the technical work with many repetitions, forms, chi sao and (depending on the level of the student) sparring.
How Wing Chun (or any style of kung fu) is trained will always depend on the Lineage and of course the individual schools/sifus.
I did not pick WC as much as it picked me. WC is a system that can be learned and practiced by anyone. You do not have to be big and strong. The kicks can be done by anyone with legs and the hand techniques are not so numerous that you can not train them all. It is powerful and effective and it does not take a lifetime to develop skill. You can also keep these skills in old age where most other, more physical systems, get more difficult with age. It is the closest thing to a scientific or physics related system that is out there except for possibly jujitsu.
[QUOTE=wetwonder;905598]I just started Hung Gar in December. The only thing I know of Wing Chun is from the movie Ip Man. With the Hung Gar, just doing the form work is so strenuous that there is no need for extra conditioning. If learning Wing Chung is just about technique, w/o low stances, then that sounds pretty interesting but quite different.[/QUOTE]
Some lineages have low stances. We use low stances in our style all the time not just in the pole form. How can you fight someone if they have a low center of gravity and you have a high horse? you also have to use a low horse at certain times.
any good kung fu program should have intensive physical conditioning.
the point of kung fu is to fight, and you cannot fight well if you do not have proper physical conditioning. this is not limited to cardio–you also need to have good physical conditioning to properly execute techniques.
if you practice techniques all day without lots of sparring and physical conditioning then what you learned will be worthless
[QUOTE=clam61;907137]any good kung fu program should have intensive physical conditioning.
the point of kung fu is to fight, and you cannot fight well if you do not have proper physical conditioning. this is not limited to cardio–you also need to have good physical conditioning to properly execute techniques.
if you practice techniques all day without lots of sparring and physical conditioning then what you learned will be worthless[/QUOTE]
I agree that physical conditioning is important. At the same time, I am paying to learn kung fu, not hire a personal trainer. Does this mean I don’t want my kung fu classes to be strenuous? Nope. But in general, I want them to be focused on technique and application. I enjoy the conditioning we do in class, but in terms of my overall physical health/condition I see it as a supplement to what I do at home (in my basement gym).
What you need is balance in your training and if your not getting it in your school you need to do it on your own. No sifu will hold your hand. You do it your self. Your responsible for your own progress.
I am kind of mixed in my feelings in regards to getting your conditioning from classes.
There is pros and cons for both.
For the beginner, Classes more oriented towards learning are far more valuable, IF there is conditioning done on the side.
Certainly certain types of conditioning should not be part of class, like IP, IV, strength conditioning and so forth, BUT “sport specific” conditioning should be part of class.
You will never get as good a workout when you are learning in class then when class is devoted to conditioning, that is a given.
I recall when I was learning to box all those many years ago, the coach would stop me during my bag work or mitt work to correct this and that, to show this and that, to work on this and that, in doing so, giving me an “unearned” rest.
Of course the instructional part of Boxing and MT tends to be “more” personal than the typical TMA class.
Perhaps a best of both worlds with a couple of “learning oriented” classes and a couple of condintioning orietned classes.
[QUOTE=golgo;907149]I agree that physical conditioning is important. At the same time, I am paying to learn kung fu, not hire a personal trainer. Does this mean I don’t want my kung fu classes to be strenuous? Nope. But in general, I want them to be focused on technique and application. I enjoy the conditioning we do in class, but in terms of my overall physical health/condition I see it as a supplement to what I do at home (in my basement gym).[/QUOTE]
thats true. hopefully your sifu teaches you weird chinese style excercises that you would not normally do that are specifically designed to help you perform the techniques
Guys there’s this thread on Wing Chun i’d like to share with you, i find it interesting though http://www.pragmaticmartialarts.com/forum/index.php?topic=266.0