The only way I’d want to be the skinny dude is if he was definitely getting laid by a hot chick after the fight…lol:D
If you are the skinny dude fighting mike tyson, chances are all youll be getting laid is a knife laid real nice into the ribs after he takes it from you, and a fist repeatedly laid into your face for pulling a knife on iron mike.
Honestly,this is again showing one side of the fence.The sport fighting side and,when you say that…“these are the waves of the future. People are going to start arguing about individual fighters rather than styles and overall training methods.”…You are in contradiction with your own idea here!..It is OK if there is no more styles separations only if the sole existing styles are MMA and sanshou.So there will be no more room for different ideas and tastes?..
Coming from somebody who spoke english as their first language, I’d just ask you to re-read what I wrote 
I think you misunderstood me. What I said was that MMA and San Shou as FORMATS are the wave of the future. I believe you’re eventually going to wind up with “fighter’s gyms” and “other schools.” There’s nothing wrong with “other schools,” I just think people will start being more honest about what they can and can’t prepare you for.
Case in point–I went to Duke Roufus’ school in Milwaukee. He said point blank “I don’t teach self-defense. I teach a ring sport. Obviously there are some cross overs in skills, but I’m not really about awareness, fouling techniques, etc.”
Yet, you go to the local kwoon/dojo and more likely than not they’ll tell you they’re the “real street lethal” even if they can’t teach awareness or punch out of a wet baggie.
Again, my point was that honesty is going to make a resurgence because openness is winning out over secrecy and false claims. Consequently, it’s going to be pretty hard for people to claim umpty-squat when you can look around and see just what’s actually going on.
Unrealistic thinking not owned by traditionalist.
Yet, you go to the local kwoon/dojo and more likely than not they’ll tell you they’re the “real street lethal” even if they can’t teach awareness or punch out of a wet baggie.
Too true.
Case in point–I went to Duke Roufus’ school in Milwaukee. He said point blank “I don’t teach self-defense. I teach a ring sport. Obviously there are some cross overs in skills, but I’m not really about awareness, fouling techniques, etc.”
But for every Duke Roufus there are others who stick their fingers into the self defense pot and offer their pearls of wisdom. Take Rorion for example, please.Rorion makes some valid points but, according to him my experience couldn’t have happned, my sensei experiences couldn’t have happened. Some ring fighters take their experience and training to be the total truth of fighting in the real world, but experience will show us it’s not. Just like the traditional and combatives guys fall into the same trap.
Oddly Rorion gives a great example of what a one man can do against multiples, but then pulls “One man can’t defeat two.” out of thin air. BTW The “Swarm” from what I understand uses more than 2 correctional officers.
Learn from Life: The “Swarm” Method
Still doubting? Consider the tactic now employed at many of the prisons and correctional institutions in this country. If an inmate refuses to peacefully cooperate with a command and threatens injury to any who approach, the prison guards now form a small squad of officers. In a coordinated unit, they “swarm” into the cell and simply “smother” their target under a small fleshy avalanche.
They use little in the way of specific technique. You don’t see many punches and kicks being thrown on either side. There is no opportunity for punches and kicks. At best, the prisoner manages a single panicked lunge and then he disappears beneath a human quilt of torsos, arms, and legs. The inmate is subdued with minimal injury to himself or the guards. “One man can’t defeat two.”
Originally posted by Shaolin-Do
[B]"oint is i would rather be the skinny dude with the knife then strictly mike tysons skills…give tyson a knife and let him use his boxing skills…i would rather have philipino knife fighting skills than boxer skills in a "
Im sorry diego, but that made about as much sense as letting hellen keller babysit a retarded child. [/B]
okay i will speak to you like you are two so you can understand
in a street encounter it would be sad if someone who trained as much as tyson did ended up getting killed by some punk with a knife because all tyson did was punch at the punk.
still confused?.
that was the main point then i added that give tyson a knife… now as a boxer how effective would he be in a knifefight…logically not as effective as he would be if he trained to fight with knives=
i feel bad for anyone who believes they fightingsport skills is all they need because **** you just spent all that time training and ended up getting shanked to death by some punk on the street when you should have added to your great conditioning etc that you gained from your fightingsport carrear by learning how to play with knives.
still confused?
what do i expect you do shaolin do:p
I’m not downplaying the value of the knifefighting arts, but Tyson armed with two Cold Steel push daggers would be a whole mess of trouble for most people.
Stranger - you’ve got to have a warning on a post like that! I spit water out my nose all over my nice, new computer!
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Originally posted by Stranger
I’m not downplaying the value of the knifefighting arts, but Tyson armed with two Cold Steel push daggers would be a whole mess of trouble for most people.
but is this because tyson is a crazy mofo from the bronx i think or because of his boxing skills…anyway
Serious question for yall boxing fans
who would win in a fight between tyson and ali if both met up at the height of their carrears?.
Are heavyweight boxers of today better than those from yesterday?.
I was thinking about this like one would think todays boxers have better training etc but then i question if tyson is better trained would ali have a chance at beating him due to his natural talent?.
just curious:)…any thoughts?.
The winner would be Don King!
I’d say that the average skill level in boxing, and in particular the lighter weight divisions, has definetly increased over the years.
Are the guys better now than they were then? Some of 'em, yeah. But legends are legends for a reason.
Still doubting? Consider the tactic now employed at many of the prisons and correctional institutions in this country. If an inmate refuses to peacefully cooperate with a command and threatens injury to any who approach, the prison guards now form a small squad of officers. In a coordinated unit, they ?swarm? into the cell and simply ?smother? their target under a small fleshy avalanche.
Shows what he knows. I was fortunate enough to participate in the filming of an instructional video for prison guards on this and other restraint tactics - and by “participate” I mean I held the camera - and there’s a fair amount of technique involved in terms of the teamwork needed for five guys to swarm one without getting in each other’s way while keeping in mind the need to minimize harm to the prisoner and that the prisoner suffers from no such restriction.
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Yeah, but rogue, overall, Rorion’s marketing is something of a joke to MMAers. We KNOW it’s silly. A little more honesty…a little more common sense. I just have this gut feeling that’s where we’re headed.
And, to answer your question diego, why even bother with tyson v. ali. Ali, no contest. Ali took punches from heavier hitters in foreman and um… didn’t he fight shavers too? Knew how to frustrate guys trying to come in. Look at Ali vs. Frazier, and tyson has nowhere NEAR the ability Frazier had to close the gap.
Now, Lewis…Lewis would maul Ali. FWIW, Lewis would maul most of the past heavyweight champions. He is one of the most underrated champs of all time.
That said, Lewis will never be a great…he has shown, at least twice, that he doesn’t have the heart to prepare.
Also, if you want to put money on some random skinny guy with a knife, be my guest. A TRAINED knifefighter, yeah, maybe. But we’re still talking about a man with a touch of sleep in both hands.
good points MP.
A little more honesty…a little more common sense. I just have this gut feeling that’s where we’re headed.
I think your gut knows what it’s talking about.
Now how do we keep honest in what we do? Not everybody can or wants to train for the ring, and not everyone will get into street fights to test their combative skills, not that either gives the full view of martial arts. Against who do we compare ourselves? 
BTW, as a spectator I prefer San Shou over Muay Thai. A throw is much more fun to watch than two guys in the clinch.
Originally posted by Merryprankster
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Also, if you want to put money on some random skinny guy with a knife, be my guest. A TRAINED knifefighter, yeah, maybe. But we’re still talking about a man with a touch of sleep in both hands. [/B]
i admit it’s a stupid topic and wasn’t the basis to my points…but for real i thought about it and i think i would rather get punched to death than stabbed to death…had both and bleeding sucks bruises heal quicker than cuts…and the guy doesn’t have to be all that trained with the knife all it takes is two missed punches from mike and two lucky cuts from the punk with a knife and tysons boxing tools are rendered useless…unless he has super sayen tendons…etc..sayen is that the name of those dudes from dragonballz?.
BTW, as a spectator I prefer San Shou over Muay Thai. A throw is much more fun to watch than two guys in the clinch.
The only reason i prefer to watch Muay Thai over san shou is that the Thai boxers will be top class athleats who probably fight for a living. About 1 in 10 of san shou fights I see have the same level of fighter.
I think that this is a fundimental reason why san shou gets little respect, but a brighter note it is something that can only get better.
About 1 in 10 of san shou fights I see have the same level of fighter.
hmmmmmmm… interesting…
- “About 1 in 10 of san shou fights I see have the same level of fighter”
You need to get out more :rolleyes: