Water Dragon, get some of your own material. That is old
Originally posted by SevenStar
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Iāve seen an olympic style TKD friend of mine kick arse in a fight. Iāve had the wind knocked outta me from his kicks too. [/B]
Iām sure his kicks are real strong. But the question is, how skilled were his opponents? Iām not trying to put your friend down in any way at all, Iām just trying to put things into place.
doesnāt matter how skilled they were. What he was trained in served him well when he needed it. The majority of the skilled people you fight will be in the ring, not on the street, IME. On the street, itās not my opponentās skill Iām worried about, but moreso their mindset.
Originally posted by SevenStar
doesnāt matter how skilled they were. What he was trained in served him well when he needed it. The majority of the skilled people you fight will be in the ring, not on the street, IME. On the street, itās not my opponentās skill Iām worried about, but moreso their mindset.
Sorry, had to bolden the part that caught my eye. Assuming you train for the ring will that apply, but some people never train for competition. I use to practice with this one guy, he wouldnāt last 5 seconds in a match with rules because heād break every rule.
I see alot of information about judo on this thread that is completely false.
But the whole reason Kano watered down Jujutsu so it would be LESS deadly and self defense oriented and more competition material, safe to execute.
Kano crated judo because he saw jujutsu as a scattered group of techniques with every school touting their art as the best way and as he himself was studying two forms of jj, he was taught different soultions for the same problems.
Kano was an educated man and modernization thru the meiji was the way to go. Kano merged jujutsu schools and based his judo on two principles.
Maximum efficiency thru minimum effort. This principle dictated the syllabus of techniques. If this prinicple didnāt apply, Kano didnāt want it.
and mutual benefit and welfare. - This was Kanoās moral code. You and I shining together.
Judo was very much a Self defense art Prior to the American occupation of Japan in 1947. Donāt believe me? Ask W.E. Fairbairn, the 3 founders of Sambo, and many other masters of TRUE self defense systems.
It was only after the war that judo had to become more sport oriented to survive..
and as far as judo not being applicable to self defense..
youāre entitled to your opinion. but perhaps youāre the one being deluded. from all the sources i read so far, they stated kano āconcentratedā (which means yes, he kept what worked for him), isnt what i said before?) even my current teacher going back to judoās history, cited kanoās contribution on such matter.
Originally posted by StickyHands
by concentration, you mean to say squeezing the orange juice and getting rid of the pulps? My guess why Judo beat Jujutsu is simply because they trained harder, and a lot more counters for every moves, they fought principle based, So he found ways to modernise it or make it easier for his students to train, or simply, make Japanese budo popular.
another words, what the hell did that mean genius? my mistake if it was hard for you to grasp, but I could care less.
judo was furbished toward sports tournament and is safe to execute since hardly too many people ud see leave in stretchers. kano was the one who came up with belts and rank system for it as well, which became foundation for other arts. im sure judo is self defense no denying that, but what did i say, kano came up with for sport competitions so as to introduce to japan and more more people can practice itā¦ if you go back and READ all the my posts, I always credited judo for having self defense appeals, agh forget it, some people just likes to play with rhetorics even the da.mn meaning is the same sh1t! some people here are so da.mn abnoxious, instead of giving constructive criticism to the person who asked the da.mn question in the first place, they like to invent and twists new meanings for worthless argumentsās sake. enough!
My guess why Judo beat Jujutsu is simply because they trained harder, and a lot more counters for every moves, they fought principle based, So he found ways to modernise it or make it easier for his students to train, or simply, make Japanese budo popular.
Your guess is wrong. Iām sorry for being so blunt, but you seem to be dogmatic about this.
Judo defeated jujutsu because judoās training centered on
RANDORI
This was Kanoās genius.
And this fact has been proven to be unequivocal.
good for you. let see you advocate for the other part as well where judo wasnt refined by Kano for competition or sportā¦ im sure ur guesses are as accurate asā¦ eh nah! was the link enuff for ya? i suppose jujutsu didnt have randori in their curriculum, i suppose Kano came up with randori all by himself, and the jujutsu school focused its trainings on something else??
ShaolinTiger- On the money bro. On da **** money.
All I need to say is Bernard J. Cosneck. You know who I am talking about ShaolinTiger. 
:o yawn more whitewashā¦
Black Jack has snuck up on this thread, and broken itās neck with the correct.. 
Originally posted by PHILBERT
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Sorry, had to bolden the part that caught my eye. Assuming you train for the ring will that apply, but some people never train for competition. I use to practice with this one guy, he wouldnāt last 5 seconds in a match with rules because heād break every rule. [/B]
the same thing applies. Iāve never been in a fight where my opponent was skilled, and have only seen a few where the opponenet was skilled - most of those were gang members, who at one time wrestled or took part in amateur boxing. Iāve seen several where the mindset of the person is what made all the difference. Were they skilled? No, but they were dead set on one thing - beating the crap outta their opponent.
Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00
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Your guess is wrong. Iām sorry for being so blunt, but you seem to be dogmatic about this.
Judo defeated jujutsu because judoās training centered on
RANDORI
This was Kanoās genius.
And this fact has been proven to be unequivocal. [/B]
absolutely correct.
Stickyhands,
judo was furbished toward sports tournament and is safe to execute since hardly too many people ud see leave in stretchers.
Donāt you think thatās due more to the years and years that judoka spend learning how to fall without being injured?
Stuart B.
Anybody got video of this Bernard Cosneck? Now you got me curious.
CSN
B J Cosneck founded American Combat Judo and published a book on the subject in 1944. Mr. Cosneck taught his system to the US Coast Guard.
Hmm they donāt allow this in competition..
But of course Stickyhands never thought judo had strikesā¦ :rolleyes:
W.E. Fairbairn āThe father of modern hand-to-hand combatā,was a 2nd dan taught by Kano himself.
Col. Rex Applegate was a student of Fairbairns and also an advocate of judo. (read ākill or get killedā)
and there were many men along these lines who knew that judo wasnāt always sport.
Thanks! Iād heard of Fairbairn and Applegate before, and seen some of their old material posted here and there.
In Stickyhandsā defense, he was certainly talking about Kodokan.
Where do you think these Americans got it from?
Coulda been almost anywhere. But I see your point.
Coulda been almost anywhere.
You must have missed this:
"W.E. Fairbairn āThe father of modern hand-to-hand combatā,was a 2nd dan taught by Kano himself.