There are many Judo videos…techniques and competitions at:
I’m about to download everything LOL
Isnt that what I just said that ‘most’ of them are, you just admit it, I suggest you go and edit your post. Most Judo matches execute throws. I am saying it from personal visits. May be too much BJJ for ya for tonight? 90 perecent matches I seen ended up with throws and counter throws, they didnt even bother going to the ground. I even saw one where there was Judo pracitioner against a BJJ, the BJJ got his ass kicked by a simple counter, embarassing for that guy. My guess is because it was throws only match.
Ya i found that site yesterday from yahoo, judoinfo.com, gonna download later.
“My guess is because it was throws only match.”
There is no such thing as a “throws only” or “submissions only” match. If both competitors don’t care to do ground fighting they do nothing on the ground and are stood back up…or I guess they could do so on their own… but if one of the competitors wants to work on the ground the ref waits to stand them back up after a certain amount of time. Unfortunately that amount of time is pretty much up to the ref 
There is another rule where if you have a lock on your opponent from the bottom and your opponent lifts you off the ground the match is restarted standing. Unfortunately this is left up to the refs to call and often the match is restarted standing when the top guy simply stick his ass in to the air.
My former BJJ coach Lloyd Irvin (former becuase I’m a lazy bum) trains and trains with Rhadi Ferguson (2003 US National Judo Champ at 100Kg) and they help each other out with their respective specialties. Anyways in an international Judo tournament about a year ago Lloyd won a couple of his matches by submission. In his final match he slapped on some from the bottom but the ref would stand them back up earlier than the rules call for (he wasn’t lifted off the ground) while he is cranking the locks… I think two armbars and a triangle choke. He ended up losing the match when the guy DDTed him (which is illegal) knocking him out and compressing vertabrae in his neck (most likely in retaliation for Lloyd’s submission attempts)
… but that is beside the point. My point is that he could have and probably should have won that match by submission… if the ref had followed the actual rules instead of what is the norm in Judo matches.
Anyways…that’s my ramble for tonight.
Gosh man, you’re stubborn one aint ya? Ok, since I dont carry the rule books with me and you seem to know a lot of about judo even if you never practiced or visited too many matches if I may presume. Then tell me why if it wasnt a rule per se, why all the competitors the place I went stuck to using throws and nothing else? Hmmm… may be it’s one of the “unwritten” mystical rules. Dude, all Im saying, most of those matches do adhere to throws alright? I didnt say grappling doesnt exist in it, but that’s how the nature of the fight is and that’s how it ends up. And if the BJJ guy isnt satisfied with his throwing skills, then if I were him, Id stick to what BJJ do best. But it did seem strange than he wanted execute a lousy throw, the types that you use to get a striker to the ground.
http://www.shockandvibration.com/judo/video/tamura_2002_alljapan.rm
http://www.judoclub.ca/mpegs/-90M.mpg
http://www.nfld.net/judo/adams.wmv
http://142.163.110.217/nlja/common6.mpg
http://142.163.110.217/nlja/common1.mpg
yay! u know u can simply just say it’s in judoinfo.com
“Hmmm… may be it’s one of the “unwritten” mystical rules.”
You may be exactly right… there is one set of rules but apparently many refs in general and refs from different parts of the world are different in the way they execute the rules regarding ground work including the amount of time on the ground and breaking locks when someone stands.
it looks like half the competition videos on judoinfo.com end in submission… interesting
It’s great you like judo, but - do you actually know anything about Shuai Chiao? There’s more different about it than just “no ground work,” for starters.
I went to a Judo match last November, only got to see the senior finals. Good site to see, lots of good matches, some lasted less than 3 seconds, others went on for 10 minutes. I saw one, big guy, referee said “go” and it was over before he finished his word.
I remember looking at all the hot girls there and thinking “Geez I study the wrong martial art.”
But yeah, most of them were throws. The only one I saw that really was on the ground was the one that lasted 10 minutes. It kept being broken up and starting over and over and over. My friend was like “Geez when is it gonna end?” and I said that if its on the ground they gotta do a choke or arm bar and then explained to her what an armbar was. It ended with an armbar.
But over all most the matches were throws, and a few went to ground fighting/wrestling.
Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
It’s great you like judo, but - do you actually know anything about Shuai Chiao? There’s more different about it than just “no ground work,” for starters.
Well of course I was talking about competition Shuai ChiaoI guess they can train whatever they want outside of competition… did you know BJJ has strikes?
…and Judo has leglocks 
Oh yeah… and I say take Judo over SC to start with. There is a probably a (free) Judo club in your area… google.com
I say take Shuai Chiao now, and then Judo later. As CSN said, its like surfing the net for free porn or watching a solar eclipse, you only see one of those in a life time. Shuai Chiao is very rare, Judo is much more common.
Besides doesn’t Judo have alot of Shuai Chiao type throws in it? If ya study SC and take Judo you know alot already.
…and what does SC have that Judo doesn’t? Leglocks? Strikes?
“There is a probably a (free) Judo club in your area.”
All the more reason to study shuai chiao if the opportunity prevents itself. Judo’s great stuff, but it’s everywhere. Shuai Chiao is great stuff, too, but if you miss your chance to study it, the chance may not come again.
I’ve said this three times already, but I’ll try to explain it in terms truewrestler can understand: Let’s say a BJJ instructor from your town was giving a seminar the same day Rickson Gracie was giving a seminar one town over. Which seminar would you go to?
“Let’s say a BJJ instructor from your town was giving a seminar the same day Rickson Gracie was giving a seminar one town over.”
Let me seee… Apples to Apples = Apples to Oranges = NO
That is BJJ versus BJJ… we are talking Judo versus SC. You don’t think since the talent pool for Judo is so much bigger that there is a better chance you will find a better Judoka than SCer?
truewrestler - Combat Shuai Chiao incorporates striking into throws, as well as setting up throws with strikes and following them up with strikes. As you’ve correctly pointed out, competition shuai chiao forbids these techs, but they remain in the curricullum because most shuai chiao in the US comes from Chang Tung Sheng, who not only competed but also policed.
Chang, I understand…
but why not just train San Shou then?
this forum is great