Who were your teachers, what style did you do, what lineage did they learn from, and how can we contact them?
Merciless is Mercy.
real taijiquan is not brutally aggressive. It has the potential to be brutal on the attacker if their intent is to maim or kill you, but the mind-intent is NOT aggressive.
“Duifang jing zhi meng ji, wo fang tui zhi ce fang xi zhi.”
Hey Water Dragon,
I know exactly where you’re coming from. I wouldn’t think too much though. You will always be who you are, and Taiji will be apart of that.
All the time I am wondering about my own “style” as well. Am I a judo guy? Am a JKD guy (ironic)
am I a self-defense guy? BJJ? What am I?
And the worst was “well I’m taking a break from judo to focus on other things…so that means I’m no longer a judoka!”
or.
“If I practice judo than I’m not a JKD guy”
and other silly arguments. 
I’m all these arts. I like the JKD style of kicking and punching, then I like the BJJ style of clinching, and wrestling style of leg takedowns, then I like judo for throwing and pinning, then I either pound, kick the head, pin, or work for a submission.
You’re the art, man.
Do what works. Don’t “forget” about the other stuff that has worked for you in the past.
Ryu
“One who takes pride in shallow knowledge or understanding is like a monkey who delights in adorning itself with garbage.”
LOL @ Daniel Mader
OK,
1995-1999 Charles Pearce
1999-2001 Shawn Parkes and Greg Kozny
Instruction also received from Nathan Menaged, George Blank, Jody Curley, Mark Marshall and various other teachers through the William CC Chen lineage. All teachers listed on the website at www.williamccchen.com
Here’s a pic of me at a Nathan Menaged workshop
I’m the red head in the back with the white plaid shirt. The man in front with the beard and glasses is Chares Pearce. Next to him is Jody Curley, and next to her is Nathan Menaged.
Here’s an Old School link to Shawn Parkes (red shorts) doing the first couple of moves:
http://www.chicagotaijiquan.com/FormDemo.asp
I think I got it
Dude, you never were a taiji guy. You’re far more agressive than that. I think the taiji helped you to get an understanding of body mechanics and sensitivity that you needed, then you moved on to what was you - shuai chiao. you’re applying your taiji principles to shuai chiao, making it more effective for you.
"Just because I joke around sometimes doesn’t mean I’m serious about kung-fu.
" - nightair
Maybe now that you say you’re not a taiji guy you can avoid taking abuse for “corrupting” the style as you follow it deeper.
I got some encouragement from my current teacher. Might be learning the 5 fists from Hsing i, now that gives me a hard on 
I think you’re externalizing your internal power there, buddy!
shite for brains.
Looks like you never were a tai chi guy. Tai Chi has sooo much throwing. Some only works with tai chi. Take a judo guy and show him the same techs and they don’t work.
God the level or stupidity keeps climbing the charts on here. Laugh at me all you want, your not any smarter, you all suck.
I welcome any Taiji player to come out on the floor at a San Da Shuai Chiao tournament and ‘demonstrate’ for us.
Sure, there are Taiji specific throws, and some great training methods.
However, Taiji has a great many flaws as well. As does EVERY art.
Here you go Nuttn Honey, this might help you out a great deal in your understanding (oooh, do I sound tough like you?) - it is not the techniques that make up the art, but the training that allows the practitioner to develop the attributes to use it in combat.
Of course, I’m paraphraseing Chang Tung Sheng, and based on the arrogance of your post you probably think you know better.
(Hey, I know your just trolling, but it feels good to be snotty every once in a while. Now go back in your sand box before you continue telling people things they already know or run off with another arrogant screed.)
“Poor is the pupil who
does not surpass his
master” - Leonardo Da
Vinci
God the level or stupidity keeps climbing the charts on here.
Sure does. Especially when you somehow are confusing application with technique. If you would care to read the beginning of the thread (or most of my threads for that matter) you would figure out that I am referring to the techniques of yielding, following, leading, vs tearing, crashing, ripping, etc. Both can lead into throwing, striking, etc.
What I am referring to is a change in strategy, entry, and execution vs a single application which should be viewed more as an after thought in any art. The set up is everything, the execution is nothing. What has changed in my training is my approach and strategy.
If you’re still of the mindset of I will do A if he does B, I think you have already proven yourself as the dumb azz. Especially if you think the execution of any said application can make or break an art.
Boxing is boxing because of the angles and the combinations. What makes BJJ is positional dominance, not an armbar. Taiji is what it is because of the leading of anothers energy, not becuase I have a pretty single whip.
true enough, but in the larger context, shuai chiao is the arm bar. Its a set of techniques that can be used based on the fighting theory. Tai Chi has shuai chiao in it. Eagle Claw has shuai chiao in it. Eagle Claw has chin na. Can you leave eagle claw to be more “chin na” focussed? It just doesn’t make sense. Princibles rule techniques.
There is also a system known as Shuai Chiao. It also incorporates strikes and locks. As far as I know, there is no system known by the name of Chin Na. And what the hell??? I never mentioned Shuai Chiao by name anyway. The only reference I made to any art was Hsing Yi’s five elements. And that’s only because I may have the opportunity to pick them up somewhere in the near future.
I think I’m the only one who hasn’t specifically mentioned Shuai Chiao in this thread. True, I’m in the system now and loving it, but there’s a lot more to what we do than that. And back to my main point on this post. Shuai Chiao may be a system that emphasises throws, But it’s not a system of throws.
As the one who brought up Shuai Chiao, let me say that I did so because Water Dragon has a set of pictures in his sig of Daniel Lin throwing some guy around that I saw for the first time at the ASCSA site.
And also because I’ve talked with him about Shuai Chiao in the past.
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LOL?
Hey Water Dragon,
What was so funny? You made a statement, so I asked the obvious question. I don’t really have any intention of contacting them, I was just curious.
Thanks for the info, and the pics.
Merciless is Mercy.
Definitions, definitions.
Yeah, there are Shuai in all styles. (wanna see some really cool one handed throws? Ask Wai Lun Choi about Lu Ha Po Fa) All god’s chillin’ got throws.
Most Shuai Chiao is just folk wrestling - not integrated with overall fighting techniques. What Chang Tung Sheng did was reintegrate it, citing grappling as the most important, decisive factor in winning a fight.
Gee, what a surprise.
“Poor is the pupil who
does not surpass his
master” - Leonardo Da
Vinci
No Dan. It just struck me as funny. It’s usually asked as a put up or shut up question around here. My bad if I misinterpreted.
Sounds like your temperament is for Shuai Chiao more then TCC at the moment maybe change maybe not. Its all good though, I wonder if Yang TCC forces the person to change theyre temperament for the art or the art changes theyre temperamentk, probably both. Personally I think Shui Chiao’s entry’s are too forced but this is my preference. I think I read somewhere on the net that Cha’ng view of his Shui Chiao changed dramatically after he learn TCC but who knows. Never heard of him fighting with TCC have heard of him attacking the center with Hsing-I forcing his opponent to either side and using his angle Shui Chiao attacks. Good luck.