Hi. Since we’ve decided that BJJ, wrestling, Boxing, Muy-Thai and sometimes TKD kicking is the best for fighting, Sanshou incorporates all these, and that Wushu forms performers perserve the beauty and grace of chinese styles, why study a traditional chinese martial art? Apparently the only thing not covered by the above is Chi development, slow movement training and health. So Tai-chi, having the greatest emphasis on and development of these qualities, is exposed as the only valid Kung Fu which is an acceptable part of a fighter or hobbyist’s training.
uh, not sure where your going fa_jing but not everyone buys the chi thing. Also, health is inclusive whether you like it or not in any art that works your body. Taichi in no way holds the patent on it.
Shuia Chiao… isn’t that that martial art where they just took a few techniques out of baguazhang and practiced them without any understanding of structure or movement?
except to watch a few people doing the forms on their own.
Do they usually do a lot of non-cooperative two-man grappling stuff like judo or shuai chiao do?
Carly - I’m just teasing. I don’t have alot of exposure to SC, but what I’ve seen I do like alot. As I noted (with some seriousness), it’s only one of four TCMA’s I do find myself liking.
Baguazhang has alot of variability, so it’s difficult to generalize. In the baguazhang I practice, we do not like to clinch like a judoka or greco-roman wrestler does, although we do operate in that range. Instead of going for a clinch, we try to keep moving, while keeping the opponent’s structure and balance constantly broken, and while continually hitting them until they fall down and don’t get up.
It’s as close range as a clinch, but it’s not a clinch.
And yes, we do unrehearsed two-man drills to train this.
Royal D - Ah… I forgot about that! It wouldn’t go ahead of bagua though.
Originally posted by red5angel uh, not sure where your going fa_jing but not everyone buys the chi thing. Also, health is inclusive whether you like it or not in any art that works your body. Taichi in no way holds the patent on it.
Right Red, so what you are saying is that Chi does not exist, even as a term and that even Tai-Chi and thus all TCMA are completely useless, right?
Seriously, Boxing may get you in shape but I can’t see it as being as health-promoting as Tai-Chi. Why don’t you compare the average lifespan of Boxing artists to Tai-Chi artists? Joint stiffness or body aches into old age? You won’t find too many Western Boxers practicing sexual Vampirism and living to be 250 years old like that dude in Yang Jwing Ming’s book.
Oh, BTW if I could get a swedish massage every time I wanted to like a boxer there would be no more need for Tai-Chi. Seriously. But I would use my mind/intention to increase the effect of the massage.
Braden,
Bagua BEFORE Li Hu, Ba Fa?? No way man, Bagua is part of Li hu Ba Fa!!! Thearfore, Bagua goes next in line.
Personally, I would like to get into Bagua sometime. I really like the footwork it has. I did a bit in the mid 90’s, and to this day the footwork is still in my fighting methods. I like to enter Tai Tzu skills with Bagua like footwork (Although there is some circle walking in some Tai tzu sets.)
Oh, on a totally unrelated note, remember that Wu Dang Tai Tzu link you gave me a few years ago?? I finnaly got some video footage of the set!!! It’s about 72 moves (my count) long, and not 300+. I don’t know if I got part of the set, or if 72 moves is all that survived from the Ming dynasty. It’s very cool, done slow, like a Taiji set.
Mind/intention can be used to increase the outcome of nearly any sort of therapy I´d believe,bogus or proven (but that is another case)
I do not know if there is legitimate research being done,but I have not heard of many tai chi practitioners living up to 250 (Some of the oldest people on earth are western,with countries like Japan or possibly China known as countries with people of high age.While formerly at least,China´s mortality rate was scary)
I have heard of legendary (if even mythical?) monk Damo/Boddhidharma reaching this age but also having a taste for Yang Jwing Ming´s good books I remember him mentioning how buddhist and taoist monks/priests had their secret methods of cultivating energy (which in turn required them to live highly restricted life,somewhat natural for taoism etc.)
Old cases being,we have little solid information besides anecdotal and legends.
In your original thread,you have prints set in cement quite tight.
