A guy with a good SLT has a foundation. A guy without a good SLT will get torn apart cause of lack of stance and elbow energy.
bLAHH BLAH.
ANyways, a lot of things about kung fu cannot be discucused on forums because 2 peopel are in different levels. If everyone is on the same level or page, then talking can help. IF not , then it’s just an argument about logics which cannot be understood by a 3rd party that is not on the same page.
I’d like to think I have my foundation by now 
so I havev’t done sil lim tau for like two-three years now!!! unless my sifu makes me 
Mostly chum kiu and biu tze. Once you have the foundation, I really don’t see the point in doing sil lim tau for 30 min when you should know what how the tans, huens, jut saus work after a dozen years!!! Sure, if it’s fun for you why not? But how many out there ENJOY doing sil lim tau for hours on end while watching the flies dance on the wall???
I never hear people say how long they practice the dummy for when that is much more useful and important for the non-beginner. Everybody in this forum has some weird sil lim tau fetish or fixation 
nobody does biu tze or the dummy for that length of time.
Weird…
Strong legs, strong root, root of punching power.
obsession? HA! is way of life…
Hi,
All kidding aside, I personally like to do a bit of SLT before doing wooden dummy work. For me at least, it stretches my wrist and helps me focus on doing correct, slow, and precise movements. That way, I’m stretched and ready to go whoop on that dummy. How long is too long? Well, whatever it takes for you to feel comphy with where you need to be. Some days I go very slow and it’d take up to 20min… and on others, it’ll take me about 10-15min. Just my thoughts.
Take care,
Enree
To the original poster and empty cup and others who don’t believe in the 15 -20 minute SLT,
Yes you are correct. Many people are obsessed with doing SLT For long periods of time. Why? I dont know but you guys are all correct. It is not needed.
You are correct, that is it. You are correct. Yes. That is right.
What you say is correct. The mountain, yes you are right. That is correct.:o
all the people that do not do Siu Lim Tao anymore, I have a question, Did you reach a Point where your hips rock during the SLT form?
when I first began doing it for long periods of time, my legs would sometimes shake from exhaustion due to the strain of holding the stance
Sil lum Tao
SLT is wc’s chi kung (standing post, jam jong…)
Most of Kungfu started out as Chi kung, the early ones espeacially. its in the genes you cant erase it. only hide it but still, it’s there, If Wing CHun is truely a child of Shaolin then it will have Qi in the art. if it is a kungfu it will for sure.
qi and real kungfu are inseperable.
Sil lum Tao and qi is usefully.
that’s what “they” say…those A&E guys… That martial arts originated from India as the lohan techniques…chi gung techniques that later evolved into Shaolin martial arts. I suspect that martial arts were in China before then though but might have been influenced by that.
That’s like those that say chi gung came from indian yoga when chinese chi gung had already been highly evolved since pre-tang dynasty.
If we are to believe everything then are we also to believe that the first martial arts came from africa? an idea can originate somewhere but if it is a pale reflection of another, then regardless of senority, it is unfair to link or generalize the two together…
the greeks might have been the first to publicize philosophy or log sea travelling but they hardly invented philosophy and sumerians were travelling by sea before the titans even came into being
anyways, back on topic: I don’t quite see your point. True, even if most martial arts have chi in them or had in the past, why does that mean wing chun has chi? chi is developed. we have it already in our bodies but we need techniques to utilize it. If we were not taught in wing chun to use it, isn’t it safe to assume we therefore don’t have “it” in our system??? how can it be there if we don’t have it? even if we speculate that it was lost or hidden, that still means we don;t have “it” since it is not taught.
And sure, many sifus say things like “concentrate on the dan tien, yadda yadda yadda…” but that’s not what I’m talking about b/c that does nothing for you. It just misleads students into thinking that we have more to our system than what we actually have. Same with all those suddenly found “hidden” secret death techniques in katas and such when katas were developed so recently there was no need to hide anything
Empty Cup
Whats your take on mind force then?
are you talking about “yee leem”? You can use the intention/will to control chi but only if you know how to use it. Using normal intention i.e. concentration does nothing. It helps with the form and with the power such as in the snap of the punch but there’s no chi involved.
Ive only heard of it being called ‘nim nik’.
In your experience what does chi feel like when applying a technique?
In all your examples of other styles apllying chi you only seemed to refer to powerful blows. What other ways is chi used.
I believe that enormous power can also be generated from mind power but I dont know if this is like chi or not.
i never feel chi when doing wing chun techniques, but i do when doing tai chi techiniques and when i meditate.
chi during tai chi is a warm almost magnetic feeling. It’s like a force that’s resisting your body. Tingles and static over your skin and it feels as if warm liquid is coursing through your entire body. Vibrations too.
During meditation chi is much greater and does more. Your limbs can even begin to move on their own, doing martial arts without you consciously guiding them. When done standing, it can be tai chi like movements or a violent monkey-style like form. A trance but you’re conscious of it happening. As for what it feels like when applying a technique (i assume in a fighting scenario) I don’t know how to apply it to fighting so I don’t know personally how it feels when used to hit somebody. But I know people who do. One guy, whenever he used chi to hit something (such as solid granite), his hands would swell up like twice their normal size! almost like it was being inflated. He had no callouses on his hands and he never needed to do any weird hi-yas or anything.
Yet sometimes purely body mechanics can be used to create similar results. For example, Bruce Lee never believed in chi or any of that stuff. He taught a guy named Wong Ga Dat a techniqe of using waist torque to hit somebody else’s body. Wong Ga Dat in turn taught this to one of his students who demonstrated on one of my si-hings a while back. My si-hing flew back and his entire upper body was bruised up. All the other guy did was hit him with his shoulder using waist generated power. No chi but just body mechanics. Interesting.
Mind power can create enormous power, but chi can do even greater things 
In tai chi, chi doesn’t need to be used to attack. it can be used to defend. When somebody else attacks you, their blows can glance off you. When trying to throw, push, or pull you, they cannot move you. All it takes is for you to will it and they fly away. No bull…I have seen this with my own eyes. It’s more than body mechanics because it defies all that we understand about body mechanics.
2 Empty Cup
I do Chen Ta ji,
Just apply the same principles that are in Tai chi like yeilding and Chi meditation etc, to Wing Chun.
Thats what I started doing along time ago.
Sil lum tao done with Qi an yi meditation.
i do Wu style. yours is better suited to fighting but i do mine purely for relaxation and exercies. health reasons pretty much. yes, many tai chi principles can be crossed over to wing chun…my father mixed both very well. i choose not to. in the case of using chi in the forms such as sil lim tao, i don’t b/c i see no reason to…if i need chi, i do tai chi forms or just my chi kung stuff.
What makes Chen style “better suited” for fighting than Wu style? Very odd… Who do you learn from Empty Cup?
it’s the closest to the original style that was meant for fighting…before the movements were all disguised as exercies
even if you look at the form, the movements are much more “martial” than yang style or wu
as for my teacher, you asked me that before and I answered you. Who’s YOUR wing chun teacher?
Empty Cup,
–you asked me that before and I answered you who’s YOUR wing chun teacher?
That’s a good move in Wing Chun. You don’t want to give an inch to anyone. Now, be careful - Whipping Hand’s Lut Sau jik Chung.
yeah well he can punch his monitor as much as he likes…
so you know whippy? or was that other post a whole bunch of nonsense?
Chen is the original style though like most taichi/taiji styles most
practitioners dont know how to use it ina martial way. Chen is a very very good style but it too has become a fad with modern wushu types and folks without good Chen lineage teaching it. But the structure and dynamics of wc and tcc are quite different- though mastery of chi flow is common to both. If one understands the role of chi more in taichi than in wc it means their achievements in wc are behind their taichi.