Cheers Ish - that ones been bugging me for months. What about this ROLFTMAO one ?
sorry cant help you with that one
you mean: ROTFLMAO (?)
i always thought it was Roll On The Floor Laughing My A ss Off 
david
Ha Ha ! Nice one , or should i say LOL !!
Stu
Agree and disagree
In the long post it stated that one should practice being in the stance for an hour. I agree. However, I disagree that it has to be done in SLT. SLT is not the only time we should be doing the ‘pigeon toed’ stance. SLT, Ck,… dummy work, partner drills all utilize this stance, all of which is done over a period of at least several hours. It is not necessary to train SLT for an hour or even half an hour.
I think one needs to be smart about how they train. What are you workinging on in SLT for an hour? Even half an hour? For development of the root 20 minutes should be about the maximum time. Cultivation of chi does happen when doing SLT, but there are better methods of cultivating chi. Doing the stance for long periods of time is good, also. But, because SLT isolates the techniques so they can be evaluated, focused, and developed, spending too much time on them is futile. 10 to 20 minutes is good enough and then spend the rest of the time applying what one learns through SLT.
This is my advice.
Marty
What’s with this obsession with practicing Sil lum tao?
I used to have an obsession with practicing Sil lum tao.
Same old story… my friends told me it was fun, and like everyone else was doing it… I just wanted to fit in… be cool. It started off maybe once or twice a week. But each time I did the SLT the more i needed. Eventully the SLT was controlling my life, everything was just about getting that next fix.
I droped out of school, and ended up on the streets, with the hoes and other SLT heads… I was at rock bottem. And just out luck, I stumbled into this building, a place where they help people like me. They gave me place to sleep and food to eat, and slowly the healing began.
But remember, the first step, is admitting to yourself that you have a problem, a Sil lum tao problem. Just say it over and over again. “I have an obsession with practicing Sil lum tao”. And once you’ve admitted that to yourself, the healing procces can start.
“I have an obsession with practicing Sil lum tao”
“I have an obsession with practicing Sil lum tao”
“I have an obsession with practicing Sil lum tao”
"I used to have an obsession with practicing Sil lum tao. "
Sad but true. At least there is hope.
I’d have to see some research on it to be sure, but I doubt that there is much applicable martial or other benefit over a certain amount of time, which is probably under an hour a session. I would think that there would be some negative effects actually, based on how the body reacts when it is overused. I think one of them is related to effects on blood pressure, or something, among others.
1 hour in YJKYM is overuse of the legs? LOL.
Is 1 hour of Chi Sao overuse of the arms?
Actually, I was referring to the 4 hours of slt without coming out of the stance possibly being an overuse of the legs.
CanadianBadAss
That is freakin hilarious, I was laughing so hard heads were turning!!!
SLT is foundation
Without a strong SLT you have nothing. Doing SLT for 20 minutes builds your elbow energy and stance.
I never really understood why doing more than 20 minutes is of no use…
SLT is wc’s chi kung ( standing post, jam jong…)
some of the best teachers
Some of the best teachers start you off on some type of stance work.
Chen style tai chi master Chan Jing Chong makes his students do 3 variations of jam jong the first couple weeks, every class for the entire 90 minutes or so. He may walk by and tell about the importance.
He teaches yiquan the same way. He teaches hsing yi the same way. YOu start by holding a position. Next you do a few basic steps. After that you start a form.
I’ll stay on the mountain.
you are correct urban tea
In the current Kungfu/Qigong read Siu Yuk Man’s view on the importance of devoting time to slt and chi sao.
BTW what kind of tea is urban tea? I thought I knew my teas.
Teas-ing included!!
((of course there are some junk filler articles in the issue too-
including the same old same old lin kong jing- the empty force for the empty heads!!))
Agreed
But for a lot of types they are just movements, a reference to all the moves and where all the techniques should be positioned.
This may be why so many people would not want to spend more than 20 minutes doing it. I wouldn’t either if I thought that was the purpose of it.
hmmm
So, are all of u who are slt experts, are u saying that everyone who does slt for atleast 20 minutes will be a kicka$$ fighter? I dont wanna hear any of that, “Martial arts isnt for fighting” chicken scratch. If the answer to yor question is, “no, not all of them are kickarse fighters,” then a lot of the things posted here dont mean a thing. I know people who dont practice slt ever! And they are pretty kicka$$. MAybe I dont know what kicka$$ looks like, but the people I’m referring to are the disciples that I know. SHouldn’t they be sucky since they never practice slt?
AND, what if a lot of people practice slt the wrong way? Now people are gonna ask dumb questions like, “WHo decides what’s right and wrong? Who are u?” Let’s say what all of u are saying about slt is correct. Now, what if a lot of peeps are doing slt wrong? Would that delete everything yor saying?
haha, I’m starting to tire myself out. later
fgxpanzerz
ROFLOL.
I think you make some good points. However, you telegraph your intentions quite a lot, and waste energy unnecessarily. Perhaps more SNT may help better control this.
Thanks for the grins and giggles.
- Kathy Jo
Re: hmmm
I tried to not respond, but I just couldn’t resist. 
fgxpanzerz
So, are all of u who are slt experts,
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’m sure not. If I was an slt
expert, I perhaps wouldn’t have to do slt for 20 minutes at a
time, or at least wouldn’t learn something new everytime I did
it.
are u saying that everyone who does slt for atleast 20 minutes will be a kicka$$ fighter?
No. Everyone who does slt for at least 20 minutes (at a time,
not all together, but I think you knew that 
) correctly, will
have the foundations needed to be good at Wing Chun.
I dont wanna hear any of that, “Martial arts isnt for fighting” chicken scratch.
Ok.
If the answer to yor question is, “no, not all of them are kickarse fighters,” then a lot of the things posted here dont mean a thing.
It just means, that they either didn’t do the slt correctly, they
didn’t do slt enough, or they didn’t add anything to the Wing Chun
foundation they had built.
I know people who dont practice slt ever!
Me too.
And they are pretty kicka$$.
Same here.
MAybe I dont know what kicka$$ looks like, but the people I’m referring to are the disciples that I know. SHouldn’t they be sucky since they never practice slt?
It seems to me that “kicka$$” does not necessarily mean “good
at Wing Chun.” “Good at Wing Chun,” however, usually does
mean “kicka$$.”
Keep in mind what I see as “good Wing Chun” is heavily based
on my lineage. If nobody in your lineage does slt the way I do, or
even has different ideas as to what makes up “good Wing Chun,”
you should just practice your Wing Chun, including slt, to meet
the end goals as dictated by your school.
I’m sure I didn’t need to say that.
AND, what if a lot of people practice slt the wrong way?
Assuming that the wrong way is sufficiently different than my way,
what they get out of their slt will differ from what I get out of
mine.
Now people are gonna ask dumb questions like, "WHo decides what’s right and wrong?
Your lineage. Your sifu.
Who are u?"
Some guy who listens to his Sigung, Sifu, and Sihings.
Let’s say what all of u are saying about slt is correct. Now, what if a lot of peeps are doing slt wrong? Would that delete everything yor saying?
Only if it upsets the moderators sufficiently.
Yeah your right, there are heaps of good fighters that dont practice SNT: Mike Tyson, Mohamid Ali, the Gracies…
If being a kick arse fighter is your only goal then why dont you do kick boxing or BJJ.
And what is doing SNT wrong? As long as your mind is guiding the techniques & you are relaxed it doesnt matter if the techniques are in the wrong order or not exactly in a specified place.
Marshdrifter
Whoever you are, I think you are my new hero. And patient too. Nice post.
Regards,
- Kathy Jo
Re: Marshdrifter
Originally posted by kj
Whoever you are, I think you are my new hero. And patient too. Nice post.
Um… thanks…
Dang! this thing needs a “blushing” icon. Can’t say I ever needed
one before… :rolleyes: