Check out the 5:23-27 minute mark kick to the eye!. We got snake hand darting fingers, Tiger Claw and rake…What else?.
I remember one UFC fight they squared off and buddy jumped into a right side bow stance and left horizontal snake hand into guy’s eyes…they stopped the fight until buddy stopped crying…dude would have died in the street!
Watched fight for the troops last night and mma is getting so boring these young guys have me snoring…lames jab jab jab…just flick his eye kick his crotch and stomp him what’ with the full contact PATTY-CAKE lol:( I’m start trolling the MMA forums talking about triad kung fu is realer than ufc. ****
[QUOTE=SimonM;900568]Enjoy your eye-poking fantasies. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Yawn
To each their own. I have plenty of San Shou experience, and I also have no problem getting my hands in peoples eyes on a regular basis. Its pretty much one of the specialties of Hung Gar and can be trained just as systematically as doing a jab or a hook can be.
I guess since this is about the 8th time I have seen this being said on this forum in so many years, that people prefer to think what they want to regardless though. That is actually to the advantage of those that train it, just like the “I cant be taken down because of my rooting” mindset is to a grappler.
I don’t quite follow your metaphor. Are you suggesting that grapplers espouse the view they can’t be taken down b/c of rooting or that this misconception aids grapplers who do not posess it?
[QUOTE=SimonM;900583]In my case I’ve found eye-strikes easy to defend against.
When tested.
I am open to new data should it emerge.
However I will continue to refute anybody who thinks that their eye-strikes, never tested, make up for a dismal or non-existent combat record.[/QUOTE]
have you ever been in a real fight? I doubt it…have fun with your full contact sparring I mean fighting hmph…
anyway for the clear headed out there…I saw in ufc the guy hit buddy with a open glove JAB jab JAB…and it scratched dudes eye so he stood there and cried…from a jab…imagine what would have happenned if the guy kept coming when dude stood there… lol
it would have looked like a chinese self defense drill where buddy holds his hand out and you strike 50 hundered times.
so you can defend against eye jabs, sorry bud either you can’t read for **** or are simply retarded possibbly **** with a tendancy to argue with men all whiny and ****. You never get caught with a jab to the face right you’re ****ing clark kent and ****…
jab to the nose and eye is the same **** you ****…finger strike has more length which gives you simon m supergirl so much time to dodge the ****ing train!.
[QUOTE=diego;900586]have you ever been in a real fight?
[/quote]
Yes I have.
I have also engaged in sportive combat events.
They are a decent simulation of the real thing.
I have caught multitudinous jabs to the face. And hooks… and reverse punches. Some of those even struck near my eye. And none of them made me cry.
Furthermore to have a borderline-illiterate such as yourself, sombody incapable of constructing legible sentences, accuse me of being incapable of reading is simply laughable.
I would concur. However it would still not be my preferred technique. Furthermore I would not base an entire style based on the efficacy of such techniques. Finally I would not then claim that my style was “too deadly for sportive combat” because it contained such a technique.
[QUOTE=Lucas;900582]he means that grapplers look at people who think they cant be taken down because of rooting as an opportunity to exploit.
hes saying that people who think eye strikes are immpossible are an opportunity for him to use eye strikes on.
i think.[/QUOTE]
You nailed it. Sorry about the poor wording, I was about to step out when I wrote that. They are a tool just like anything else, and with trained fingers and some good entry or counter entry methods, they work just fine, be they jabbing, raking, or what have you. Again, saying that you can defend against them just fine when they are from people that don’t train them is sort of like telling a grappler you can defend against a shoot from a non grappler.
I have in the past, detailed most of the steps in the training progression for training attacks to the eyes on this forum, so it might turn up in a search.
Regardless, there is just as much of a method to it as there is to using a jab properly, or in passing guard. I tend not to discount anything in fighting, because if someone likes something enough and spends enough time with it, they can generally get almost anything to work, regardless of public opinion.
[QUOTE=Golden Arms;900593]Regardless, there is just as much of a method to it as there is to using a jab properly, or in passing guard. I tend not to discount anything in fighting, because if someone likes something enough and spends enough time with it, they can generally get almost anything to work, regardless of public opinion.[/QUOTE]
exactly! the problem is that the “I’m too d3adly for my shirt” TCMA crowd uses the eye-gouge / poke / tickle as the ne plus ultra of all techniques that could instantly trump anything that some unfortunate MMA / grappler type might bring to the table; because, of course, if someone who trains to avoid a fist-jab to the face was suddenly confronted with an eye-jab to the face, they would have no ability to counter that with the same sort of strategies they use for the former…
and I agree 100% you can train it - but still acknowledging that it might be lower percentage than a jab because of a smaller target area; so training it to efficacy would take longer; although if you’ve already trained a jab well, then you just take that template and modify it for a smaller target area - but all the other principles still apply: position, timing, set-up, etc.
as for root, I’d say that good wrestlers have root; sumo guys have it coming out the wazoo!
[QUOTE=SimonM;900592]I would concur. However it would still not be my preferred technique. Furthermore I would not base an entire style based on the efficacy of such techniques. Finally I would not then claim that my style was “too deadly for sportive combat” because it contained such a technique.
It’s the last part I take particular umbrage to.[/QUOTE]
you replied so don’t get pompous…no one claimed too deadly for mma, i said mma is getting boring and I think it teaches kids to fight with false sense of security…they run at each other and go toe to toe boxing style…that’s no good when some one wants to kill you…they are not trying to **** up your chin and put you to sleep…
anyways.
chinese talk about eye strikes for one thousand years of the two man form history…what is their science you twat?.
MMA guys are great coaches that’s it, fighting isn’t some super secret science…you fight as a sperm to win the prize of being born…keep your gaurd up and struggle.
[QUOTE=SimonM;900583]In my case I’ve found eye-strikes easy to defend against.
When tested.
I am open to new data should it emerge.
However I will continue to refute anybody who thinks that their eye-strikes, never tested, make up for a dismal or non-existent combat record.[/QUOTE]
To me this is point on. Without actual competitive sparring and/or fighting in combat sports…how do you know your technique will work? It’s been said that if you can land a jab on the nose, jaw, or other target, you can probably land an eye poke. But if you don’t have experience throwing techniques under as realistic as possible conditions, you have less of a chance of doing so in a real confrontation.
The best and safest way to train martial arts, stand up anyway, is with boxing gloves, headgear, and shin pads. This reduces injury and allows one to go at it much longer and harder than without the gear. It is also necessary to condition yourself so that you don’t break your shins or hands if you really have to fight…
I can spar bare knuckle no pads very hard…I have many times…and all this does is restrict your techniques much like boxing gloves, but also leave you usually injured for a week or two…that’s if you’re going somewhat hard.
You can’t spar eyestrikes or groin shots though…so as martial artists, we need to do the next best thing.
whats with people talking eye and balls attack not working? i been kicked near the balls not even on the balls and i was on the ground like a baby
if they dont feel it back off and circle them till the start to feel it takes couple minutes youre only screwed if theyre high on something
I don’t “value” eye pokes and gauges because I don’t train them and don’t conditon my fingers for them.
Now, those that do, like Shinjo Sensei of the Uechi-ryu, they can do some serious damage.
I will say this though, unless YOU have done similar conditioning and forging, don’t put too much stock in finger techniques.
