Annual CLF FIGHTING tournament?

Full contact, 3 (or 5) round type of deal. Or shorter rounds, elimination format, type of deal. The rules could be modified Sanda or Muay Thai rules, or something of that nature. Striking only, maybe with throws, clinching, knees. Perhaps no knees/elbows to the head, I think that is not a big deal. Maybe headgear and shin guards will be required, but that’s not a big deal either. The fact is, we need to fight… I feel like there are many good fighters in CLF, but still not like before, the old days. Also, we are far apart in the country and world.

Maybe something similar to Kyokushin (and their offshoot) style competitions/tournaments.

Why can’t this be done?

I want to do this, maybe not now, but someday I wanna do something like this. For the refinement and evolution of CLF. To bring together those who fight, and train this style for fighting.

Why don’t we do it?

Thoughts and comments are appreciated.

-V

trying something similar in Hung Ga Kyun, see http://www.hungkyun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=955

[QUOTE=PM;1036949]trying something similar in Hung Ga Kyun, see http://www.hungkyun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=955 …[/QUOTE]

PM, I have always respected what you had to say. Even though we never spoke much.

Regardless this is something I believe Chinese martial art should have. No, beyond that. This is something that we NEED in order to weed gain back respect from the global martial art community, as well as establish the FACT that our styles are capable of being used in an intense, pressurized, full-contact situation. Maybe it will be 3, 5, or even 1 long-ass round. Those are the details which need to be discussed at length.

However, why can’t we (as Hung Kuen and CLF) establish standards for which practitioners of these styles can test themselves in? Why can’t there be a standard to which “fighting skill” is measured? Not just as an abstract concept, or something that only your Sifu and classmates know. But a standard that your entire style, other students, and other schools can look and see? Of course Hung and CLF are two different styles. I don’t wish to carry over a format better for CLF as something for Hung Kuen. You know, all the CMA styles are so different, even with similar ones. We need to set our own standards first, before worrying about cross-style competition. If all the different sects of Karate can do it… hell, what’s so **** difficult that we can’t do it?

I don’t see this straying away from our systems being “traditional.” Yes such events are competitive, and competition breeds ego and pride. But let’s be real also, most people who are very good fighters have pride. Maybe not ego, but pride in their abilities, I’m sure. And for those who are living the Martial Way as a lifestyle, great! WE CAN GIVE THEM A FACILITY TO TEST THEIR FINELY-HONED, HARD-EARNED SKILLS.

If say, there is an AMAZING Choy Lay Fut fighter somewhere in this world, and he decides to participate, and beats up everybody else bloody, that person should be recognized for his actions. He has taken CLF to a level that the other fighters have not (just as an example), perhaps. And maybe we can see OK, this is how he trained, how his Sifu taught, the way the prepared for the fighting competition…

Eventually - not immediately, or even soon. Maybe it will take many years, but EVENTUALLY - people will strive to be better, in my opinion. People will train harder, more effectively, and more efficiently. The fighting will be back as one of the most important aspects of Gung Fu. Fighting schools WILL BE RECOGNIZED for producing fighters, and non-fighting schools will NOT be recognized for any such thing.

This is… we need a standard. We need a way to test ourselves, amongst our own family. This isn’t about MMA, or Kung Fu vs. Muay Thai, or Kung Fu vs. Karate. This is about fighting the fighting blood, about evolving, becoming better than before, faster, stronger, smarter.

-V

dont you see something wrong though in having to design a format specifically for one style, whats to stop you simply using standard sanda rules? CLF as i trained it has overhands, upper cuts hooks jabs and crosses round kicks and throws so why not simply use those rules? If you want to limit it to just CLF students fine and I can understand not wanting to go MMA and have ground fighting but why cant you use standard formates already in place?

[QUOTE=Frost;1036954]dont you see something wrong though in having to design a format specifically for one style, whats to stop you simply using standard sanda rules? CLF as i trained it has overhands, upper cuts hooks jabs and crosses round kicks and throws so why not simply use those rules? If you want to limit it to just CLF students fine and I can understand not wanting to go MMA and have ground fighting but why cant you use standard formates already in place?[/QUOTE]

I personally, strongly dislike Sanda rules. Many Sanda fighters are not that skilled at striking and resort to using throws (huge point scorers) to win matches. It’s pretty bullsh1t if you ask me!!! In a striking art someone can win mostly by throws, it’s stupid. We have Shuai Jiao matches in China and Judo competitions in Japan, thank you very much.

CLF is primarily a striking art, that includes throws. Sanda, in certain circumstances, almost becomes a throwing art with strikes (fighter-dependent).

And I don’t see something wrong with designing a specific FULL-CONTACT ruleset for a specific style. In our case this is CHOY LAY FUT.

Kyokushin rules are different from Enshin rules are different from Daido Juku rules are different from Ashihara rules are different from Budokai rules. But ALL are FULL-CONTACT KARATE.

How can you design a sparring format for the Sao Cheui, when the main target is the neck?

EO

[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1037028]How can you design a sparring format for the Sao Cheui, when the main target is the neck?

EO[/QUOTE]
deep-sea diving helmets..?:slight_smile:

[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1037028]How can you design a sparring format for the Sao Cheui, when the main target is the neck?

EO[/QUOTE]

I think this question is completely irrelevant… you realize that in kickboxing/Thai boxing people get shins slammed onto their head/neck all the time right?

If you can land a KO sau choy on somebody’s NECK then more power to you… but more likely than not you won’t. Because people are A. moving and B. defending. Landing a clean sau choy on the head takes enough skill as is.

Eric Olson doesn’t know how to use a sow choy ANYWAY. plus, he’s not even a CLF guy anymore.

STFU ERIC FOOL POW

Like Sanjuro_Ronin once said, in FULL-CONTACT COMPETITION where you hit is where you hit. Unless there is a clear “foul” or “intentional illegal technique” people don’t really care.

If you KO someone by hitting them on/near the neck area, then most likely you will just get that, a KO victory.

Now if you go around eyepoking and groin kicking people ON PURPOSE then you will get disqualified.

I’ve been to A LOT of Muay Thai fights since I’ve been living in California.

why not just put on helmet, breastplate and mma gloves and let people fight til one taps out or are knocked out.

your supposed to study martial art or selfdefense. whichever sounds best to you.

People tends to overcomplicate things:rolleyes:

traditional kung fu is not a contest of skill. its a contest of manliness. kung fu is not a science its a primitive backward violent village ritual. i accept that and embrace it, my conscience is free.

im from a village and having experienced backward village life its easy for me to understand and accept that, and even love that.
but for a long haired metrosexual chinese from cities, thats embarrasing and backwards. for an american thats disgusting. too third world, too foreign, too dirty, too national geographic.

if u want ur fighting to look like choy lee fut its easy. go berzerk and throw huge haymakers and dont be scared.

[QUOTE=bawang;1043962]

if u want ur fighting to look like choy lee fut its easy. go berzerk and throw huge haymakers and dont be scared.[/QUOTE]

man, i love waking up to the fresh philosophical insight of bawang.

now, OFF TO TRAINING!

How can you design a sparring format for the Sao Cheui, when the main target is the neck?

EO

eric olson is an effin dumb arse!!! CLF does NOT miss you dude.

[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1043987]eric olson is an effin dumb arse!!! CLF does NOT miss you dude.[/QUOTE]

In full-contact fighting, nobody cares if you hit on the neck.

When you’re opponent is roughly around the same skill level, size, strength and reach hitting them in the neck with a CLEAN sau chui is much harder said than done.

And if you get the KO by a neck-shot… umm, congrats, you won?

I’m not talking about some ***** ass point sparring or even this “continuous sparring” bullsh1t…

[QUOTE=Violent Designs;1037125]I think this question is completely irrelevant… you realize that in kickboxing/Thai boxing people get shins slammed onto their head/neck all the time right?

If you can land a KO sau choy on somebody’s NECK then more power to you… but more likely than not you won’t. Because people are A. moving and B. defending. Landing a clean sau choy on the head takes enough skill as is.[/QUOTE]

Kaap chui would be the correct technique for the head/face, not sau cheui. You’ll hurt your hand otherwise.

EO

man..you’re fighting at arm’s length then.

nospam.
:cool:

Kaap chui would be the correct technique for the head/face, not sau cheui. You’ll hurt your hand otherwise.

MORE PROOF ITS A GOOD THING YOU LEFT CLF!!! just shut up. you r so clueless

[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1044048]Kaap chui would be the correct technique for the head/face, not sau cheui. You’ll hurt your hand otherwise.

EO[/QUOTE]

Why can’t you not use the forearm and hit the head… it’s like a hook, it comes from the side.

Also from my experience the technique “kup chui” and “sau chui” are even used interchangeably.

For one, my teacher calls sau chui what some other branches might call sau chui.

To be honest with 8-12 oz. BOXING gloves on I’d rather throw a hard hook or overhand and hit with the two first big knuckles, than using either sau or kup chui.

we have three types of sow choy’s