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[QUOTE=rogue;713901]Now there’s a ringing endorsement for Kung Fu’s training methods. Wouldn’t it stand to reason that no matter how good an art or method is that if it’s full of people that suck that the art has degraded to the level of the practitioners?[/QUOTE]

No not necessarily. The question is, can you take out the individual and look at what the art teaches someone? That is what I try to do, when I look at a MA system. Of course, there will always be exceptional practitioners in every MA. These exceptional people can virtually make any method work.

The basic formula is simple, absorb what the system is teaching, test it at each level with increased intensity, and then add in a conditioning program with regular intervals of sparring and testing with different opponents and viola, you have a good fighter..

James

P.S. I did say may suck. Does anyone really know what the majority of kung fu schools teach or the quality of their students fighting abilities are? Nope..

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There is good and bad in every art.

Just becuse some of the kung fu people you have encountered may have been no good does not mean kung fu is rubbish.

I guess until you get your ass kicked by a kung fu stylist then you will think it has nothing to offer.

Every dog has there day in the sun.

:smiley:

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Hey Ray, you still there?

Thanks for your commentary. I’m curious on some of your transitioning and what you are learning.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but you are/were a short armed striking fighter, southern style, i.e. rolled shoulders, crunched belly arms up front?

You learned “bridge” or sticky fighting?

Taken to a point, sticky fighting means holding onto your opponent to some extent, perhaps while striking with your other hand or feet. Fighting their center of gravity and poistion on the ground, their “root” some people call it. Are we on the same page, or am I mistaken about your skills?

If not, I’ve found that bridges easily become very close to grapples, depending on how you work them, and that standing arm bars, rear naked chokes, figure fours and the like are not too far away, if you choose to play them. Have you found any of those foundation skills have translated to your new BBJ or is it all ground work, on mats?

Is there some crossover, some carry over of any old fundamentals that create a new dimension to your stand up game? Any carryover that has helped you prevent the shoot/single or double leg takedown? I believe you know how to use the forearm?

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[QUOTE=Water Dragon;713825]lol. This ranks right up there with Sifu Abel vs. Shaolin Tiger and Dave Ross vs. Anybody.[/QUOTE]Or Blooming Lotus vs sanity. Funny thread.

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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;713847]like i said fd, reading comprehension. Are you reading the same thing? there’s nothing there that talks about what you’re claiming I said.[/quote]

You asked where you said CMA trained groundwork.

I linked you to a post where you claimed that CMA teaches you how to defend yourself on the ground.

You’re either claiming that

A) CMA trains groundwork, or
B) CMA trains you to defend yourself on the ground without training groundwork.

Since I assumed you’re not retarded, I didn’t think you meant B.

anyway, i know what time it is with you and you just go ahead and keep that to yourself.

What?

here’s the points i made one more time:

I already addressed these points in this post -
http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=713589&postcount=56
But since you’re apparently having trouble remembering what was said in this thread I’ll repeat myself -

wrestling = useless for standup

Nobody said otherwise, and nobody said that all you needed to train was wrestling. Quote someone in this thread saying either of those things.

MT=useless for groundwork

Nobody said otherwise, and nobody said that all you needed to train was muay thai. Quote someone in this thread saying either of those things.

boxing= useless for takedowns, groundwork and kicks.

Nobody said otherwise, and nobody said that all you needed to train was boxing. Quote someone in this thread saying either of those things.

so, mma-ists, I can aprreciate your thing, but to think that there is not valid attack defense and confrontational response in kungfu is stupid. period.

Nobody said there was not “valid attack defense and confrontational response in kungfu”. Quote someone in this thread saying that.

So, congratulations - you’ve made a lot of great points against arguments that people weren’t making in this thread. Kudos.

Still waiting for you to answer any of my questions from this post -
http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=713815&postcount=69

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What exactly is the difference between a nonkungfu guy and a kungfu guy?

If you can tell the difference from how people post on a forum, then why wouldent it be possible to tell if someone can or cannot groundfight by how they post on a forum?

There is a lot of cross over between short arm sticky fighting and much of the stuff you find in groundfighting, the main point being posted over and over is that you MUST train on the ground, fighting, to learn how to actually ground fight.

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MT is not useless for groundfighting, either. Not any more then “Kung Fu” is. LOL

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[QUOTE=rogue;713901]Now there’s a ringing endorsement for Kung Fu’s training methods. Wouldn’t it stand to reason that no matter how good an art or method is that if it’s full of people that suck that the art has degraded to the level of the practitioners?[/QUOTE]

That’s basically why I made the switch. Got sick of the 2+ hour drives just to find decent people to work with. Easier to carry my little bag of CMA stuff to the local Judo dojo/mma gym.

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[QUOTE=Yum Cha;
Is there some crossover…[/QUOTE]

I’m having so much fun. I’m learning a lot. I already have developed a good level of sensitivity and sticking, so I can flow with somone’s arms and elbows, etc.

What I am learning that is really helping is the strenght of certain positions and things I want to achieve, for instance, when I’m ons ide mount and somone uses a forearm to push me away viea my throat, I can tuck their elbow in and take that territory and pin it with my head, then fight for mount and go with any number of locks… but recognizing the opportunity.

Also, the principles. Once that e;bow is moved, the space can be filled with the head, but also my knee… that can go to arm bar.

I’m just increasing my possibilities. The talent pool is deep even in the white belt class because you have guys like myself who have trained elsewhere for some time. So sometimes I can tap someone who’s just about to become a blue belt, but then get tapped by a 1 or 2 stripe white belt.

What I love is that half the class is used in actually free rolling… end every class soaking wet with sweat.

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[QUOTE=Knifefighter;713886]While I didn’t say it in this thread, I am guilty as charged in other threads.

However, I only think that about 95% of KF sucks. That is the 95% that spend their time doing forms, training with compliant partners, pretending to hit vital targets, never competing in full contact venues, and thinking that their lethal techniques such as iron claws, eye pokes, neck breaks, finger bending, throat crushing and fat grabs are somehow better than MMA training.

Those are pretty much the same guys who think the rules of the UFC are somehow purposly biased against KF techniques.

The 5% that don’t suck are the guys who spend their time training pretty much the same way the MMA guys are training.[/QUOTE]

Not everyone can train like a MMA and not everyone wants to be a MMA. I think if they spar at least once a week they are real martail artist. If they compete it will make them better.