Who…
In the blue hell…
are you??..
Are you refering to me?
Ok here is my pedigree.
Black sash (asst instructor) Seven star praying mantis under Sifu Ortiz
Asst instructor Kidlat Escrima, cadena de mana, Kuntao Silat under Billy Bryant
Studied Inasantos method Escrima, Muay thai- under Sifu Ortiz and Kevin Seaman (a couple of seminars)
Studied some fast wrestling with Dennis Mui
I still keep up with my Muay thai training and currently doing some boxing.
Does this some how add or detract from anything I have said?
Great, call me when you grow up. Its called brown belt mentality. Get over it.
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Long fist has tons of stuff in there that is either, no longer applicable, flowery, BS to begin with along with the stuff that works.
Shaolin… what does that consist of?
Tai Chi- Yeah, there is alot of stuff as well in Tai Chi that has been corrupted or never was truly useful in combat.[/QUOTE]
I think you should keep your comments to what you ACTUALLY know.
Great, call me when you grow up. Its called brown belt mentality. Get over it.
Ok, questioning technique, understanding mechanics, testing what works and doesn’t works is a brown belts mentality… then I’ll gladly be a brown belt.
as far as growing up, I’m 32 and onld enough as it is…I suggest you grow up a bit for obvious reasons but that is only my opinion.
I wonder sometimes if you say things to get people rilled up for fun or if you actually believe the classical hype. TCMA, MMA, or TJMA should always look out for effectivness of what they are learning.
I have seen more than my share of long fist, tai chi, ect ect ect. You don’t know me Abel and I really don’t know you. You are commenting on my knowledge with out even knowing what I have been exposed to. If you are saying that Long fist does not have superfoulus movements then you should stick to speaking on and commenting on threads that you have actual knowledge on.
That is if I assume that you don’t know long fist , ect ect but I won’t assume 
Wow, if that is what 8 Step Mantis is pushing, I call get to call cult first.
Its not a cult Black… It is what people are taught as being effective. There is actually a lot of good in most Mantis systems but there is also a lot of bad and stuff that is just antiquaited. You just have to sift through the stuff to find out what works and what doesn’t.
As far as being a cult… just don’t ask for anything to drink j/k
Let’s bring down the hate, just a notch. Mantis will supply the Koolaid, and I will supply the cheesits.
There is no hate on my part. Sifu Abel has his opinion and is entitled to it as am I.
Just to clarify, I don’t think TCMA as a whole is worthless but there is stuff that is just ineffective. Hey, I drank the kool aid on many occassions and I would probably do it again
Wow, if that is what 8 Step Mantis is pushing, I call get to call cult first
Saying you can cure a neck injury with fake mystical energy can be called cult-like…that is some absurd stuff.
Umm, I didn’t see that picture… I think it is absurd as well but that is not martial imo and something he would have to clarify himself. dealing with that kind of stuff is like messing with someone’s religion. With techniques you can prove what works and what doesn’t work and there is no wiggle room. With that kind of stuff… I rather stick to techniques…
Speaking of useless: The rolling hands portion of push hands.
Notice how the competitors switch to more functional grappling control as soon as the referee says “begin” and they are not forced to do the rolling hands B.S. any further:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi_5d8iDSPg&mode=related&search=
The rolling hands is to develop sensitivity and to teach you to yield, it’s not supposed to be combat effective per se, it’s a drill for developing specific skills in beginners.
i think people need to understand that the amount of information tied into all of what tcma is , is not only vast in breadth but also in depth.
myriad weapons, paths of study that have nothing to do with fighting but instead focus on healing, or strictly killing as quickly as possible, or even methods to quiet people without bringing harm and so on.
I mean, when you have a line of study that is pursued ad-nauseum for hundreds and hundreds of years then you wind up with more info than one person can actually be able to undertake the complete learning of.
now, most of the kungfu people out there will tell you that in the end it’s about the person and the spirit and intention of what they are doing.
that can’t be replaced by something other.
it is what it is and can be accepted as a whole without as an individual having to pursue the parts that one finds quaint or antiquated or out of context etc etc.
philosophies on living are often inclusive, ie: buddhism and taoism, which are more religio-philosophy than straight up religion. (remember all the christian folks that figure qigong and meditation is akin to devil worship. these people need to understand that it is not that at all.)
so, how is the sport and pastime of simply fighting using whatever style going to be better than the pursuit of being a better human being through the path of traditional martial arts.
some people just lose perspective i think.
mantis7
If you are so adamant about “Mantis” trapping being succeful as taught please give us an example. But please notice I said Multi-tier trapping and bridging. I am not speaking about pressing and lifting or grabbing and plucking. I am talking about double pressing,cross hand trapping thinking you can actually trap a jab cross combo nonsese.
I was talking about trapping from a mantis stand point. pluck lift send listen etc etc… there is no multi teared seccessional or whatever you call it in real mantis. if you cant trap you cant close gates or enter gates… in fighting is the way to defeat.
For those of you so ignorant to not yet completely understand qigong “like the idoits who did not beleive in gravity until it was proven” and its healing properties i suggest spending more time in the TCMA and see how many times it comes up and ho herbology and tuina are vital parts of a whole… for the others keep doing your punch kick drill workouts the olympics are comming to america soon…
learning part ie. fighting only of the whole ie TCMA does not make you educated enough to make comments especially from fopa who has 7 posts??? whos hiding thier identiy behind 2 screen names??? LOL go break some baked pine boards with spacers for our entertainment.
I love the newbies on the main board… they know so much… now go wax all of our cars… wax on wax off
PS david J, thank you again for your knowledge and elliquit way of explaining things to the newbies… I tired of trying.. futile and wasted qi explaining things to deaf ears…
I had to convince a guy that his shaolin style from shan dong had worship, meditation chanting , religon, caligraphy and gardening skills were taught years before fighting …to which he replied their was never those things in his style only combat fighting and weapondry… I rest my case…
but i cant be possibly typing this beacuse there also is no such thing as qi… so i must be dead…
knifefighter, perhaps you should understnad and learn more about what you trying to cut down before you make such statements like the one above its just proves you lack of understanding. like saying taiji is for seinors and you cant beat somebody up when you move that slow…
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knifefighter, perhaps you should understnad and learn more about what you trying to cut down before you make such statements like the one above its just proves you lack of understanding. like saying taiji is for seinors and you cant beat somebody up when you move that slow…[/QUOTE]
LOL… read the skill transfer article. Then you will understand.
Never mind… someone who does most of his stuff dancing around like a dying bug will probably never understand. Plus, I’m sure many of the words in there are too long for you to understand.
knife dont get defensive and make smart comments like a school kid, I simply said to this comment made by you
Speaking of useless: The rolling hands portion of push hands.
Notice how the competitors switch to more functional grappling control as soon as the referee says “begin” and they are not forced to do the rolling hands B.S. any further:
you obviously dont know what tuisao is or its dynamics advanced or basic. granted the girls were beginners and lacked skill but the roll is a neutral strating position and meant to teach beginners as Ben Gash already said. so before you can comment and preach the bible you might want to read it first… its better to keep quite and let people think your ignorant than open you mouth and prove it.
and i mean ignorant in the correct term I am not name calling. as I stick out my tounge and mumble mmm
OH YEA PS how do you know I spend most of my time dancing around??? have you been peeping in my windows again? i thought you had a warning not to do that to me from the cops the first time… naughty naughty