not quite sure how to phrase this, so bear with me..
TCMAists who fight or train fighting-MMA, etc will say that the overhand is basically cup-choy, the long hook is sow choy, jab is jik, cross is ping, uppercut is jong, or pow.
But..is it, or isn’t it?
There are two ways to look at this; one could be simply justifying that they are still doing Kung-Fu, when they have actually dropped it completely, including footwork, positioning, strategies, etc. “trapping doesn’t work in real time,” etc..
or, they really are maintaining their art, and simply have a better understanding of how to effectively utilize their style’s techniques from having used it in real time.
Is it evolution, or are we throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
Face it, there are many people who train and TEACH TCMA-not all have actually been taught the proper method of using their techniques.
Are there subtle nuances that distinguish cup from overhead, sow from hook? Do they work, or are they dropped?
Is the moi-fa, chut-sing, kay-lun, seu bo faht, dropped, or do you use it?
“I can turn out a good fighter in a shorter amount of time,”
so therefore, are the other skills simply not worth training?
Is it evolution? Is Kung-Fu evolving, or devolving?
[QUOTE=bawang;1099644]wtf is this ching chang pow nonsense?? speak english
in kung fu a jab is called a jab. a straight is called a straight. a cross is called a cross.[/QUOTE]
Sets are expression of maximum range of motion training.
The shape is far more compact when in tactical use.
The techniques are not linear either.
but yeah, we always got the english too IE: ping choy = flat fist, yut gi choy = vertical fist, charp choy is an overhand, pao choy is an uppercut and so on. I like to use low hooks which are palm up straight punches to teh body or chum choy or cannon fist…and so on.
So, yes, I agree with both of you, either/either is indeed correct.
I don’t think it’s giving up the art to refine it further and make it wholly practical and if you teach without that, maybe it’s in the best interest of whoever does so to acquire supplementary training that will allow them to further understand what they already have.
in northern kung fu a straight is called “straight fist” “straight hammer”. fancy term is “dragon extends claws”
they all the same sh1t
giving codenames to concepts and techniques confuses outsiders, and it looks like it has served its purpose. you teach hung ga for 30 years and u stil lcant figure it out.
Its been my understanding that Kup is performed straight up and down using the row of knuckles you knock on the door with. In our lineage we use the same fist shape for our Sow Choy, although our lineage has three types of Sow Choy (Short, medium, and long range).
I personally think from a CLF perspective the Over hand isn’t a Kup Choy or can’t even equate to one. I would call an over hand a short type of a Sow Choy because of the angle of the swing. but perhaps Kup Choy’s are performed differently in other schools.
maybe its just me but some of the wide hooking techniques that people usually say its a strike, to me could be applied as a clothesline type maneuver
So you would just Run with your arm out straight till you hit the guy? LOL For CLF, the Sow Choy CAN be used like a striking clothesline. The Sow Choy isn’t about the striking surface but its called “SWEEPING” for a reason.
[QUOTE=bawang;1099650]southern kung fu guys have obsession with words and terms and categories. and its not eveb proper chinese, its fuked up toisan dialect.[/QUOTE]
Well, it’s a dialect and there are many who are Toisanese, like…millions! And many of them are here in NA now, so it’s no big deal to have as your base of chinese cantonese with the Toisanese dialect inflections etc.
Most of teh chinese I know is this.
I think that putonghua sounds fruity, so there. lol all she she po po na na ho ho fee fee fi fi fo fo fum fum…crikey..
My first trip to China, I constantly thought everyone was arguing. It wasn’t until I saw two woman in a bar yelling at each other and flinging glasses all over the place that I caught the subtle nuances of the language.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1099664]So you would just Run with your arm out straight till you hit the guy? LOL For CLF, the Sow Choy CAN be used like a striking clothesline. The Sow Choy isn’t about the striking surface but its called “SWEEPING” for a reason.[/QUOTE]
hey if works… actually i’d combined the striking clothesline with a tripping/sweeping leg.
