thanks for stepping up paul
and not giving a generic answer , like my wing chun structure followed by the theory of application divided by the timing of my chi sau equals universal answer for every thing .
you would be stating the obvious .
but you give it from a guy that has been socked in the nose to develop the timing to see what works best for his size and individual attributes .
that’s honest and i admire that .
you see there is no wrong answer , just your personal experiences , and the people you have had to deal with.
and phil thanks for starting a thread that focuses on honesty and individual experience not my school your school and my sifu says junk.
Originally posted by EnterTheWhip
And seeing that you don’t have a clear concept of what Wing Chun is and is for
LOL!!! You cannot possibly be serious that you think he doesn’t know what WC is or what WC is for. If you do really think that it is out of complete ignorance or lack of opportunity to see his WC and talk to him about it. Perhaps you should talk to some people that know him and have met him from various lineages and have seen how well he knows WC and what it is for.
Vicky
fa_jing
I’ll contact you. I’d like to meet the Sifu from Brazil. Do you know how to contact him?
co~no no sabia que habia tantos latinos aqui. Me allegro. Tambien hablo chino. ?Y tu?
Ernie
“. . .beware the mighty dry land swimmer and his side kick the arm chair martial artist
that’s why god made sharks”.
Bien dicho. Can I use this?
There are other forums for those that do. And seeing that you don’t have a clear concept of what Wing Chun is and is for, perhaps that it the best forum for you, since this forum is the Wing Chun forum.
ETW I am always willing to learn. Please enlighten me.
Victor
Why don’t we have something in the East coast. Keith and his students are always ready to train. We have the guys in PA, NY, NJ, CT, or anyone willing to come. We could get together periodcally and test/develop/train our fighting skills. We could do it at Keith’s school or some other central place.
No Headgear??
For those against headgear in full contact sparring pleas read this.
I’m not sure if headgear was used in this event.
Woman Brain Dead After Amateur Boxing
A mother of two children was brain dead Tuesday after being pummeled in a Toughman amateur boxing bout. “They tell us nobody’s going to get hurt,” her husband says. Police are now investigating.
Choy Lee Fat/White Crane
I have trained against WCrane & CLF swinging strikes. Like the pow choy (sp)?. Has anyone had trouble with or experienced these types of strikes?
Originally posted by WCis4me
Perhaps you should talk to some people that know him and have met him from various lineages and have seen how well he knows WC and what it is for.
Got that covered…
phil
beware the mighty dry land swimmer and his side kick the arm chair martial artist Bien dicho. Can I use this
what’s mine is yours but got to givr credit to bruce for that one:)
Re: No Headgear??
Originally posted by Phil Redmond
[B]For those against headgear in full contact sparring pleas read this.
I’m not sure if headgear was used in this event.
Woman Brain Dead After Amateur Boxing
A mother of two children was brain dead Tuesday after being pummeled in a Toughman amateur boxing bout. “They tell us nobody’s going to get hurt,” her husband says. Police are now investigating. [/B]
Hi Phil,
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030617/NEWS/306170357/1060
She wore headgear. 16 Ounce gloves. 3 one minute rounds.
Still brain dead.
Thanks for the link Edmund.
She was also 240lbs, out of shape and had no training other than wrestling with her husband and friends for fun, and watching tv.
The article talks about how these types of tournaments encourage ‘everyday’ people to come in off the street and fight.
That is why I said (in another thread) it is very important to have proper training before attempting to do anything competitive with your skills.
The article also discusses her husband, who considered himself to be a tough guy, going down in 29 seconds. It seems as though they were both armchair warriors, thinking they could beat trained fighters. It is a sad story.
Regards,
Vicky
We don’t encourage head gear mainly because it offers a false sense of security to both parties.
Fighting is dangerous business regardless of skill level. Everyone needs to manage, assume, and avert risks as they best see fit.
That’s a terrible shame about the mother.
Regards,
- Kathy Jo
This reminds me that ,a few weeks ago,a big and strong Karateka was hit in competition by one of those “non effective” shotokan kicks in the chest (With a protector) and died there on the spot.
He was tough!
Probably caught his heart between beats or something. Well competition needs to be taken very seriously, and it does have a danger level, there is no denying. I put it on roughly the same level as American Football or Hockey. Of 14 competitors in the last full-contact event I participated in, 6 of us including myself had to stop due to injury or knockout. Still I think it’s worth it. Competition exists in various levels of contact, you should observe first and work your way up to a level and format that suits you. However, sparring is essential and you can put your work in without much risk, assuming you and your partner are both competitant and don’t let ego become a big factor. Like my sifu says, “sparring is not optional.” Also he wants us to be able to vary the intensity from 1-10, never going above 8 in practice, and my opinion is that a lot of learning can take place at the 2-3 intensity level. It is just as valuable as the 7-8 intensity level. This low intensity would be where you aren’t trying to make much contact or go full speed, just working your techniques and flow, giving your partner a chance to react, not trying to stick him. Drills like “stomach taps” are excellent too. In this example you use boxing gloves, and take turns hitting to the body (varying the intensity) while your partner either defends, or simply takes the shots to work on his iron body. You go as hard as your partner tells you to.
Phil - Sifu Milan of Brazil is teaching out of www.mantisfist.com ,I suggest you call up and ask for him.
Con respeto al espanol, no soy un latino, sino que estoy casado con una colombiana y en una occasion yo vivi alla por varios meses. Tengo 5 an~os hablando espanol y lo hablamos mucho en casa. Tambien he estudiado el chino, cuando yo assistaba a la universidad. Aprendi mas que 1000 charactres, pero no hablaba casi, y ya con el tiempo que ha pasado se me ha olvidado todo. Qing ni gei wo lau mien (please can I have some Lo Mein noodles) is all I can remember. 
fa_jing is so right - sparring is not optional - if your goal is to learn how to fight and do it in a meaningful way…in other words - sparring with contact to the head, body, legs, takedowns, etc.
So the only real questions that remain are things like what to use in terms of protection (ie. - headgear, chest protector, groin cup, etc)… What are the rules?..How hard to hit or kick?..When to stop the action before someone risks getting injured?..How hard are you allowed to throw someone down? (ie. no hard body slams and no suplexes whatsoever, etc…).
THESE THINGS CAN BE REGULATED IN A “BI-PARTISON” FRIENDLY MANNER.
But to AVOID contact sparring like I’ve described with objections like “it gives a false sense of security” to both sides is to ignore the fact that NOT DOING IT gives an INFINITELY BIGGER false sense of security because without these things you’re not really learning how to fight and defend yourself…BUT YOU THINK YOU ARE !
Comments to Victor in brackets.
THESE THINGS CAN BE REGULATED IN A “BI-PARTISON” FRIENDLY MANNER.
((You mean there are such things as “neutral” rules? There is no neutrality in a real fight. Been there- done that. I am sure that we are talking past each other. Put on gloves and go at it? been there done that))
But to AVOID contact sparring like I’ve described with objections like “it gives a false sense of security” to both sides is to ignore the fact that NOT DOING IT gives an INFINITELY BIGGER false sense of security because without these things you’re not really learning how to fight and defend yourself…BUT YOU THINK YOU ARE !
((Everything short of fight where lives are in danger is simulation of fighting. Good wing chun exchanges improve the learning curve better than conventional sparring…based on analysis of actual experince- not “theory”))
Yuanfen is 100%. Which of course means many of you are wrong.
HOW anyone can dis sparring with headgear is totally incomprehendable to me. If you dont have head gear, you cannot hit the head…or hit with any meaningful contact. Are you training to play pat-a-cake? Or to know how to defend yourself in a fight?
Jeez.