If you scroll down you will see the kendo helmet and the fullmask protection with a full face cover, made of tough Acrylic. I would think that one is the best, because of you can’t get through with a finger or whatsoever.
So what do you think?
My nephew and I are in need of helmets, even we only do 16months of Wing tsun, we spar full against each other, I recently started Muay Thai also and it helps to bring more variation in my sparring.
I don’t think you need to have years of experience to spar in Wing Tsun. The thing that takes years is to program your muscle memory, lose your tension and improve your feeling.
I am pretty sure, that when you face a situation and you shoot forward and you do “proper chainpunching”, you win. Even if you force your way through with power and don’t go in bonsau/tansau.
Personally I think normal boxing helmets are sufficient, but then I’ve never actually met anyone who can effectively spear me in the eyes while I’m punching and kicking them repeatedly…! :rolleyes: :eek: Well, actually, MMA helmets with some support around the nose. If you think your partner has dangerous fingers, try swimming/skiing goggles… good eye protection, little obscuring of vision, and they don’t stick out unrealistically five inches in front of the face.
The dynamics of practising with those kendo type ones are completely different. Getting hit, especially palmed, will automatically get so much more leverage and be much more likely to knock your head back.
I am pretty sure, that when you face a situation and you shoot forward and you do “proper chainpunching”, you win.
Chainpunching is pretty basic IMO. Later you should be able to work faster, better, stronger combos, based on flowing around the resistance, and blasting that which is weak. Chainpunching is predictable in direction and rhythm. Don’t forget the adage that you should always hit with the nearest weapon to the nearest target… that’s often the same hand you last hit with.
Chainpunching is generally all the same strength… it’s too balanced, too uniform. You need different strengths and strategies to different targets and for different combos. It’s the old ‘one-two’ that drops them if it’s targeted right. If you can’t get the ‘one-two’, that’s when you need the ‘one-twothree’ or the ‘onetwo-three’ or the ‘one-two-one-two’!!! The ‘one-two-three-four’ is superfluous to requirements: inefficient and predictable.
What makes you think if the first chainpunch doesn’t drop him, the next one or the one after will…?! That’s why you need to vary angle, strength, speed, penetration, weapon etc. Why restrict yourself to repeating a technique? No tech is infallible. Don’t forget the beauty of a fut round the back of his head meeting an elbow for example! WC is a short range art… it has a clinch you know, and it’s necessary too…!
Use headgear with a cheekpiece and a chin protector. Everlast, Ringside, Reyes and Fairtex should all make those.
They are expensive and worth it. They are the perfect trade off of realism and protection. Lots of protection from cuts and bruising, but you can still get your bell rung nicely.
I can’t say enough about the headgear with the metal facecage…especially if you’re going to wear somewhat thin, lightweight, semi fingerless gloves; because those gloves will make it very easy for fingers to find eyes, and knuckles to crash into noses, bloody mouths to occur, etc…
if you use regular boxing type headgear when sparring.
But I also think the kendo headgear is too heavy.
Check out the photo of the headgear that Phil Redmond posted on the “May event in Cleveland” thread.
Also…getting back to my particular headgear that I customized with the hockey facecage - look at the second to last photo on the page that you posted; that’s what I use - but I changed the facecage to the metal one.
the thing about bloody noses and mouths is that they happen - it’s part of fighting, both in the ring and out. Also, in case he ever plans on competing (since he recently started thai boxing), he will be accustomed to feeling that. I can see fingers finding their ways into eyes, but I’ve never actually had it happen.
You’re right about getting used to the contact if you plan on competing - I won’t debate that.
As to fingers in the eyes: I was in Cleveland last weekend for the Wing Chun sparring get-together, and within 20 seconds or so of the start of the very first match…we had to stop the action because one of the guys received a finger in the eye.
Fortunately he was alright, and he subsequently switched his boxing headgear to one with a facecage before continuing.
If you scroll down you will see the kendo helmet and the fullmask protection with a full face cover, made of tough Acrylic. I would think that one is the best, because of you can’t get through with a finger or whatsoever.
I saw a guy crack one of these in half with a roundhouse kick in a tournament. They’re also a b*tch to try and breathe with when you’re inside them, and they fog up.
Boxing headgear is best … as said, if you think you need a face plate, make it a cage, not a visor.
I agree with Andrew, the acrylic visors seem like a good product idea…until you actually try them.
Victor, this is a cool idea. -I have one of the visor headgears that I bought but never use (because I hate it.) -Maybe it’ll end up being my favorite after I modify it.
another cheeper way is to where a motorcycle helmet with a face shild.
thay can absorb a lot of damage. a hocky head gear,with a cage will protect your face but the helmet dose not offer much protection.
It all depends on the amount of contact you will be receveing. I like Fist beacuse it is verry light and dosent have many blind spots.
Now Ive said my peace, You can take it or leave it.
It really goes to show that Wing Chun guys are soft, motorcycle helmets and face cages? you guys must really be afraid of getting hit you can still get your eye poked out with the cage I have seen and been in many Tounaments with other styles, that only wear open face headgear, If you guys ever get with the times you will see that the only ones using face cages is on Fear Factor.
No wonder Wing Chun is the laughing stock of the Martial art world Lolololololololol
The link to the headgear I posted was from a site that sells “Boxing” gear. So it’s obvious that boxers use the cage headgear as well. I think we’ve all got the hint that you don’t like WC yet you keep posting here. What is your point?
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Well, actually, MMA helmets with some support around the nose. If you think your partner has dangerous fingers, try swimming/skiing goggles… good eye protection, little obscuring of vision, and they don’t stick out unrealistically five inches in front of the face.
Sounds like someone has an axe to grind?? :rolleyes: