Great Chi Sao clips:
tan, huen sao:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onA-Jv8Ft9E
chum kiu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDpQrIuwxwo
bon sao discussion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFuqC6CTKV8
lop-sao position and gaining the line:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koR_4Eq0DcQ
Oh Yea!
Yup, That brotha is alright. Where is he? London?
yeah, heâs pretty good
see his angles? good wing chun is about knowing where the angles are and how to use them
[QUOTE=Graychuan;855964]Yup, That brotha is alright. Where is he? London?[/QUOTE]
This is Michael Louison Sifu. He also has his own website here; http://www.wingchunart.co.uk/
Us London lads eh?!! Iâve heard very good things about Louison SifuâŚ
Thanks, mane!
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;856041]This is Michael Louison Sifu. He also has his own website here; http://www.wingchunart.co.uk/
Us London lads eh?!! Iâve heard very good things about Louison SifuâŚ[/QUOTE]
Thank you very much for this!
[QUOTE=jooerduo;856001]yeah, heâs pretty good
see his angles? good wing chun is about knowing where the angles are and how to use them[/QUOTE]
You canât tell how good anyoneâs WCK is by their forms or their chi sao. None of that reflects (or even develops) realistic WCK (fighting) skills. Have him spar with some good muay thai or MMA fighters and then youâll see what he can really do or not do. WCK is fighting. If you donât see fighting, then you arenât seeing WCK.
doesnt matter what you see or think your seeing âŚall that matters is what your developing doing this drillâŚ? is your energy at your wrists or your elbows ?
wrists or elbows ? do you seek contact with your wrists ? searching for a place to set up your chi ?
Terrence is correct, the demo of chi sau doesnât show how good he is at fighting. This is why there are lots of demos of chi sau but almost none of fighting. Simple really.
K gledhill, elbows/wrists is just speculation until someone does something with it
Wtf ???
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;856075]You canât tell how good anyoneâs WCK is by their forms or their chi sao. [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=t_niehoff;856075]None of that reflects (or even develops) realistic WCK (fighting) skills. [/QUOTE]
âŚso do you train chi sao at all in your Wing ChunâŚif so then why?
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;856075]Have him spar with some good muay thai or MMA fighters and then youâll see what he can really do or not do.[/QUOTE]
âŚThis is getting very old. especially considering we havent seen anything of what you can do or not do. Im not even sure if you even practice martial arts, T.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;856075] WCK is fighting. If you donât see fighting, then you arenât seeing WCK.[/QUOTE]
âŚYaaawwwnnnn!:rolleyes:
There is no doubt he has talentâŚ
Lets face it Nelson, you put this guys clip in the wrong place or forum, and they are simply not ready for it, especially here in the U.S See he has a problem, and its the same problem that stopped many people like him from being successful within there own right
History will show that Europe has always accepted those of great talent, no matter what walks of life theyre from (just people) See in most cases, not saying that this is one; the treatment that most talented people get (thats like the talented sifu on the clip) is more or less a human problem
But as martial artists, Im sure we all can see the truth There are many different system of wing chun, and it seem here that we are all beginning too accepted their existence, and Im not saying that this is the case here; but if we can do that with wing chun, why cant we have the same tolerance with human existence?
Thats a good one Nelson, and I know how you think
Ali Rahim.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;856075]You canât tell how good anyoneâs WCK is by their forms or their chi sao. None of that reflects (or even develops) realistic WCK (fighting) skills. Have him spar with some good muay thai or MMA fighters and then youâll see what he can really do or not do. WCK is fighting. If you donât see fighting, then you arenât seeing WCK.[/QUOTE]
I guess I would say this then:
I enjoyed watching his Chi Sau. I think he has good hands in his Chi Sau / good Chi Sau skills.
I havenât seen him fight, so I donât know his fighting ability.
Cool? 
Some very cool and eye opening clips. Thanks for posting!
Greychaun,
I no longer do chi sao just like I no longer ride my bike with the training wheels on or recite my multiplication tables. I do, however, wonder about people who do continue to do these things.
Chi sao is nothing more than a learning platform for the various contact movements of WCK. You canât develop realistic (fighting) skills via chi sao, only via fighting/sparring (realistic training). Once youâve learned the movement and can perform it in the unrealistic, artificial exercise that is chi sao, it is time to move on. To stay there, to continue doing chi sao, is to stop your growth in terms of developing fighitng skills. In fact, my view is that chi sao isnât even a very good learning platform.
Of course, donât take my word for it, just go to a good muay thai or MMA school, and see if you can do in fighting those things you can do so well in chi sao. Youâll see. As guyb pointed out, we never see that posted on youtube. And for a very good reason.
The goal of martial art training is to develop fighting skills, not artificial, unrealistic drill skills. You donât judge how good a boxer is except through his performance boxing or a wrestler except through his performance wrestling. The only way to see skill, to see performance ability, is by and through performance. In the martial arts, that performance is fighting. If you canât do it in fighting, you have no skill.
You havenât seen me âin actionâ because you havenât come to see me. If you are interested, pay me a visit. Or, make it easier on yourself and go to a good MMA or MT school and see. Either way, youâll get the same experience.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;856075]You canât tell how good anyoneâs WCK is by their forms or their chi sao. None of that reflects (or even develops) realistic WCK (fighting) skills. Have him spar with some good muay thai or MMA fighters and then youâll see what he can really do or not do. WCK is fighting. If you donât see fighting, then you arenât seeing WCK.[/QUOTE]
Iâm sorry, but this really doesnât make sense to me. How does training in the forms and doing chi sao (basically learning Wing Chun) not develop Wing Chun fighting skill? What is the point of learning the form then? The reason you learn the forms really well is so that they hold up under pressure when you really need them. The same reason a basketball player will practice free throw shooting with nobody else in the gym. Now maybe youâre right and some guy with great forms will freeze or let it all go down the drain in a fight. Who knows? But I donât see how you can say that the forms donât develop Wing Chun skill. Keep in mind that a lot of people train in Martial Arts without actually wanting to fight. That doesnât mean they have no skill. I think people are a little hung up on fighting and competition. Canât we just focus on the art? Maybe a forum is the wrong place to try and do that.
In regards to the free throw analogy, Shaq was a great free throw shooter in the gym, doing the drills and we all saw how he was during the game.
Magic Johnson and Larry Bird ( to name just two), had excellent % in both drills AND game time.
The difference?
During the drills MJ and LB did them as if they were in a game.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;856180]In regards to the free throw analogy, Shaq was a great free throw shooter in the gym, doing the drills and we all saw how he was during the game.
Magic Johnson and Larry Bird ( to name just two), had excellent % in both drills AND game time.
The difference?
During the drills MJ and LB did them as if they were in a game.[/QUOTE]
First off, I think youâre wrong about Shaq. He is horrible all around in free throw shooting. Thatâs why he made excuses like âmy hands are too big.â However, even if he shot 100% in the gym, the exception does not prove the rule. Larry Bird and Magic would not have been so competent during the game if they didnât drill out of the game. Sure there are going to be people who canât take practice and translate it to real time. However, there is no way you can do real time without the practice, unless you are a genius like John McEnroe.
[QUOTE=WaveWingChun;856187]First off, I think youâre wrong about Shaq. He is horrible all around in free throw shooting. Thatâs why he made excuses like âmy hands are too big.â However, even if he shot 100% in the gym, the exception does not prove the rule. Larry Bird and Magic would not have been so competent during the game if they didnât drill out of the game. Sure there are going to be people who canât take practice and translate it to real time. However, there is no way you can do real time without the practice, unless you are a genius like John McEnroe.[/QUOTE]
I think you missed my point.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;856189]I think you missed my point.[/QUOTE]
Your point, I believe, is that Magic practiced like it was a game. So therefore, sparring as opposed to drills is important. Is that right? I would agree with that to a certain extent. However, I donât think there is anyway, unless Magic has 50 thousand people on the payroll to boo him during free throw practice, to duplicate a real time situation. Sparring is obviously a lot closer to a real fight. My point is that it is necessary to drill and practice without pressure so that you can build a foundation for success when there is pressure. My other point was that drills and chi sao build your Wing Chun skill. Just because itâs not done in an actual fight doesnât mean the skill isnât there.
[QUOTE=guy b.;856093]Terrence is correct, the demo of chi sau doesnât show how good he is at fighting. This is why there are lots of demos of chi sau but almost none of fighting. Simple really.
K gledhill, elbows/wrists is just speculation until someone does something with it[/QUOTE]
so you dont know 
[QUOTE=WaveWingChun;856200]Your point, I believe, is that Magic practiced like it was a game. So therefore, sparring as opposed to drills is important. Is that right? I would agree with that to a certain extent. However, I donât think there is anyway, unless Magic has 50 thousand people on the payroll to boo him during free throw practice, to duplicate a real time situation. Sparring is obviously a lot closer to a real fight. My point is that it is necessary to drill and practice without pressure so that you can build a foundation for success when there is pressure. My other point was that drills and chi sao build your Wing Chun skill. Just because itâs not done in an actual fight doesnât mean the skill isnât there.[/QUOTE]
So we both have a point and we both think Shaq sucked.
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