Let’s try this:
http://www.geocities.com/woliveri/chan.html
There is no spoon. “The Matrix”
There’s a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. “The Matrix”
That looks really difficult(and quite cool too), never seen it demonstrated before though.
Master Chan!
Once again he take a Cat Horse Stance and makes something absolutely bizzare out of it. I love it. Ouch.
It’s quite unbelieveable, this stance. Like he’s
using tendons rather than muscle.
There is no spoon. “The Matrix”
There’s a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. “The Matrix”
stance
What? You mean you can’t do that? 
one other
I’ve only seen one other who had the potential to perform this stance and that was Deanie Wong, Master Chan’s nephew. No one else came close.
There is no spoon. “The Matrix”
There’s a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. “The Matrix”
That stance sucks. Worthless for combat, worthless for combat training. Harmfull to the body, and horribly unaligned.
agine 8 step sheep breader has lent us his expertise
Well then…
If you think you are qualified to criticize Chan Pui, then why do you not go to Florida and challenge him for teaching his students things that are “Worthless for combat. Worthless for training. Harmfull [sic] to the body, and horribly unaligned.” BTW, it should be “horribly misaligned,” not “horribly unaligned.” If you do not have the courage/money to challenge Chan Pui, then perhaps you can challenge one of his students who hold the rank of sifu in his system. You show disrespect in your words, and prove yourself only to be all bark and no bite if you do not back up your words.
bullsh1t
I could care less if he could fight, but don’t idolize a sh*tty stance. I stand by what I said, It’s worthless. Its very pretty, but worthless. I am qualified because I understand how and why stances are used in combat, a mantis stance deeper than 90 degrees, resting on the tendons is bad for you and only good possibly for stretching, and even then it’s a poor way to stretch.
Right.
Wait, I thought you said it was harmful to the body and worthless for combat training? So now it is “possibly good for stretching”? You choke on your own words. I repeat, if you think you are good enough to criticize a respected master, then you had better put up or shut up. You do not care if he could fight? I was under the impression that his fighting ability was under question, as he was doing a “worthless” stance that has no combat or training value whatsoever. Chan Pui’s fighting ability has everything to do with what you were criticizing. This is kungfu, and in case you did not realize it, kungfu is about fighting. Like I said before, right now you are all bark and no bite.
no, thats wushu, not kung fu. I’m not choking on my words, the stance is sh1t, possibly some yogic feat, but not, and I repeat, not good kung fu.
It’s pretty, but worthless,
If you can do a 90 degree mantis stance while keeping your back strait and not tipping on your hip, then your cool, this thing, “stance” as you call it also looks hard, but is worthless.
Kung Fu is for fighting, don’t try to tell me that it’s good, post it on the main forum, the stance sucks, period.
After reading several posts by this “8 step sifu” it is obvious that the guy has a psychological condition known as CPD, or Combative Personality Disorder.
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Apparently you have me confused with the person who posted the picture. I am not that person. What is in question is not whether or not the stance “sucks,” but whether or not you are qualified to make such a judgement on a master such as Chan Pui. If you were paying attention, you would notice that was the point of my post, not whether or not the stance was “good” or “bad” (I do not make such an assessment). You think you are qualified to pass judgement on Chan Pui, and negative judgement at that. If you feel that you can do better, then why do you not prove it? Unless you do not have the, as you would say, “balls” to challenge Chan Pui or his students, then I suggest you keep your mouth shut until such a time as you are prepared to back up your words.
okay, it is obvious that you are a begginer, but I’ll humor you for a while.
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The original post by Wolveri in “stance” said, “I’ve always been amazed by this stance, WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?” Posted by Wolveri, it was a question for judgement.
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I am qualified to “THINK” because I am a Sifu of Northern Praying Mantis, I know what stances are for and this one is worthless. Ask a doctor or sports medicine professional.
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I CAN do better. I can do a correct and usefull 45 degree mantis stance that I can actually use while fighting. That is better. I can also do a 90 degree back strait, without tilting mantis stance. I have eyes, and I teach students correctly. If I saw that I would pick them up for fear of them damaging their knees.
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I have no desire to challenge a 70 year old man, it’s disrespectfull and I haven nothing to gain by it. It’s not a put up or shut up situation, I didn’t say that Master Choi was worthless, just this particular stance. It’s wushu. Woveri said that it was all it’s tendons, thats true.
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Master Sun got in stances that were slightly wrong and we had to criticise him and tell him what he was doing wrong to test our analytical ability. It was hard at first because he’s a Master and therefor always right. It helped burst that bubble and allowed me to make decisions based on what I know and not assuming things based on the practitioner.
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If you don’t agree with me, fine, then you don’t know squat; but it’s no reason to get all fiesty. Don’t be such a sheep, look at the stance for yourself, is it functional? Does it serve any purpose whatsoever? Is there a better way to practice and train? Why would I go below 90 degrees
True Sifu’s should practice Impartiality, not judgement.
All this talk about External form…what about internal? Balance. From Judgement comes impartiality. Learn from Grand Master Chan and from Lao Tze. Words from the TaoDeJing have actions rooted in the traditions of Wu Shu, the traditions you supposedly teach.
Who understands does not preach;
Who preaches does not understand.
Reserve your judgments and words;
Smooth differences and forgive disagreements;
Dull your wit and simplify your purpose;
Accept the world.
(LaoTze,56)
It is obvious that a amrtial artist would not use this particular stance to fight with.
But it doesn’t particularly mean that it is ****! either.
In the martial arts, all or most martial arts, many things are simply for training and conditioning.
If a martial artist can stand firmly and sound in very low stances and move about smoothly and gracefully, then they will have no problem standing firm and sound when they are more upright in fighting stance and have less of a chance to be swept or knocked off their feet than a martial artist that only trians using stances that require no to little strength, balance, coordination or flexibility.
Their kicks are most likely stronger and footwork is most often better.
It is common for individuals to criticize what they dont understand, cant do or dont have. And for a person to criticize what they know nothing of is simply ignorance.
Just because you cant move around low to the ground and have control of your center of gravity doesnt mean others cant.
Some styles are accustomed to this. It is their signature.
" Moss Never Grows on a Rolling Stone"
No definite deffinition
Each is entitled to there own opinion, well stated KickingMantis. Every technique has numerous motives, reasons, purposes and applications.
8Step, you are a sifu with little respect and open-mindedness some use the term “sifu” quite lightly, what will you teach me, how to be judgmental and close-minded.
The mere fact that at 65 Grandmaster Chan Pui can still bounce out of side splits, do jumping techniques and hold a stance with his butt rubbing the ground says lot to me. Obviously some of his training methods and “useless, worthless stances” have held some purpose, doing at 65 what most 25 year olds would have much difficulty. Tell me 8 Step how much power do you believe to be surging through those skinny legs of Chan Pui, I for one wouldn’t like to be on the receiving end of a Tam Tui delivered by the Originators last disciple.
I shall not pass judgment on another rather hold hope within my mind.
Focus on the internal conflicts and all external shall evaporate away…………………
Kicking Mantis I see you live in CA, soon I may be moving close by. Do you practice Wah Lum and perhaps we could train sometime?
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OK, since it’s my Sifu in question I’ll have to throw in my 2 cents. Master Chan has done quite a few amazing things in the past in both live performances and for photos. Neither are meant to portray proper fighting techniques or stances but rather to show the amount of control, strength and flexability he has mastered. It may look painful to you but it’s nothing to him. He can hold a stance anywhere from full standing to squatting, stopping at any point in between. Not only that but I’ve seen him come out of those low stances quicker than I can come out of a much higher stance. Would he use that in a fight? Probably not. Is it an impressive photo? I think so and apparently other do as well.
Higher stances are preferable for fighting as they allow for quicker movement and don’t fatigue the legs as much. Does a high stance make an impressive photo? No, anyone can do that. Does it show leg strength, balance and flexability? Again, no.
When I perform I like to throw in some non-fighting moves just to showcase my physical control and conditioning like the one-leg sqats (Tam Tui exercise) that Wah Lum is known for. I wouldn’t try to apply it in a fight but the strength and balanced needed to do the move would be applied to fighting techniques.
See it for what it is and don’t make assumptions or jump to conclusions. How about you impress us with a photo of one of your stances?
Why Train to do this?
My take on this is this. Master Chan’s leg strength is something to behold. I’ve never seen anyone do what he can do the way he does it. He can get into this stance and hold it without even thinking about it. So what value does this hold? While I’m sure Master Chan would not use this stance in fighting, having trained his leg strength to such a degree gives him the advantage in a fight. Why? First, unless his opponent knew him, the opponent wouldn’t expect the wide range of movements he has. Low, High, Middle. This also demonstrates balance and if you saw him, speed. He’s very fast. With this developed leg strength he can also express power from a position that others could not. The man is impressive. I think there is great value in training this way but only if it applies to your body type. His body type suits this type of training.
There is no spoon. “The Matrix”
There’s a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. “The Matrix”