There are enough existing remnants, where worthwhile technologies can be kept and combined with more modern training to create something new but to keep going in its current direction is poison.
Wushu in the Olympics… for me… fine! It’s no different than gymnastics floor routine. I do not view TCMA, in its current format, as a martial art. And the only thing that would change that opinion for me would be some of these TCMA styles producing competitive fighters.
Not everyone needs to fight. But at least 2% ( 2 out of 100) of all the students worldwide should be able to compete. So many discussions on this board and it comes down to the very basic and simple: if TCMA was working, alive, we’d see it. It would be producing quality international fighters like boxing, kick boxing, Thai Boxing, BJJ, Judo, wrestling, fencing…
No fighters from a martial art system = system is dead.
It’s QUITE obvious no one really cares about your opinion of TMA. you are no better than TMA because you are not doing anything to change it. b1tch b1tch b1tch. this is all you are known for. thats sad to say cause no one seems to be impressed with your fighting. LOL
most prominent time is from song dynasty. the government army was purposely weakened. civilian and local militia trained themself especially along the border towns.
from republican era, there is the kuo shu lei tai
even today it is still going on,
in addition to taolu, there is also san shou from wushu programs.
kuo shu lei tai
and wushu san shou are there for all to compete.
every one good luck at london 2012 summer olympics.
Blah, blah, blah, and the best fighter in the world is the one with the championship belt. Surely he could beat all the special forces, Navy SEALs, etc. under any and all conditions.
BECAUSE HE COMPETED AND WON A SANCTIONED SPORTING EVENT!
[QUOTE=Yao Sing;1152666]Blah, blah, blah, and the best fighter in the world is the one with the championship belt. Surely he could beat all the special forces, Navy SEALs, etc. under any and all conditions.
BECAUSE HE COMPETED AND WON A SANCTIONED SPORTING EVENT!
Get it now everyone? Sport Rulz!
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War is just competition with more ultimate consequences.
Conversely. . .
TCMA is not dead. Who else can rapidly aging MMA club fighters and lazy minded wannabes vent their frustrations on whenever they are feeling down on themselves because they can’t stick to a diet plan and are still stinging from humiliation at the hands of good old fashioned Hong Kong con men?
TCMA is not dead. Who else can rapidly aging MMA club fighters and lazy minded wannabes vent their frustrations on whenever they are feeling down on themselves because they can’t stick to a diet plan and are still stinging from humiliation at the hands of good old fashioned Hong Kong con men?
TMA will NEVER DIE. why? because TMA is about more than just fighting. I have no more time to explain to hard headed people why. Those who know…know. those who don’t will b1tch and complain about this or that.
TMA’tists can continue what they’re doing long after a fighter has to quit fighting.
TMA is way more than just beating someone down. for one, its part of the Chinese culture. Fighting has no other culture other than violence.
its never gonna be enough to get it in the heads of BRICK HEADS about there are people who like to fight and to do so legally they join MMA. There are others who don’t like to fight but CAN FIGHT and has effectively done so throughout his life. Not everyone is a competitor. martial arts is and was always a personal thing. fighting is only ONE aspect of TMA. Same thing as lion dancing. its only one aspect of TCMA. but how can people mock something they know they can’t do themselves? i can understand if someone watch lion dancing once and picked it up completely on the first attempt. i know they won’t.
sport fighting will die long before TMA will ever die.
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I consider wushu as a purely athletic pursuit that should/must be started young, and the performer’s ability peaks, then begins to deteriorate at a young age. This is due to the unnatural and extra-difficult aspects being emphasized (nan du).[/QUOTE]
This is the worst thing about Wushu without a doubt in my opinion. Whereas with traditional kung fu, one doesn’t even peak at all. It just gets better and better as you age.
[QUOTE=Neeros;1152697]This is the worst thing about Wushu without a doubt in my opinion. Whereas with traditional kung fu, one doesn’t even peak at all. It just gets better and better as you age. :D[/QUOTE]
better? I don’t know, but definitely tastes just as good on the last bite you take as the first one your took.
In my opinion, there are two guidelines to making Kung Fu integral to your life:
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1152695]sport fighting will die long before TMA will ever die.[/QUOTE]
No, some form of sport fighting will always be around. Just the specifics change dending on public needs. Ancient societies had wrestling matches and violent contests. Even the gladiator fights were considered sport in their day.
As a side note I believe the Report From Iron Mountain made reference to the need for some type of violence ritual in society and the rise of MMA seems to fit the bill. I think it was supposed to be a replacement for war but wars are still going on so I guess they’ve gone off script. :eek:
[QUOTE=firepalm;1152728]If you disliked what the Wushu people have been doing in the past not sure how most of you will react to the newest thing in Wushu?
You know how sometimes wushu players will use chalk or baking soda in their sleeves, pant cuffs and on the insteps of their shoes to create a dramatic effect when they slap kick and all that?
They should start using glitter. Xuanzi zhuanti into ce kong fan into xuan feng jiao [SIZE=“4”]POW![/SIZE] glitter bomb. Sparkly dramatic pose.
I mean, if you’re already affecting effeminate mannerisms while wearing pastel colored silk, might as well go for the full homo.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1152695]TMA will NEVER DIE. why? because TMA is about more than just fighting. I have no more time to explain to hard headed people why. Those who know…know. those who don’t will b1tch and complain about this or that.
TMA’tists can continue what they’re doing long after a fighter has to quit fighting.
TMA is way more than just beating someone down. for one, its part of the Chinese culture. Fighting has no other culture other than violence.
its never gonna be enough to get it in the heads of BRICK HEADS about there are people who like to fight and to do so legally they join MMA. There are others who don’t like to fight but CAN FIGHT and has effectively done so throughout his life. Not everyone is a competitor. martial arts is and was always a personal thing. fighting is only ONE aspect of TMA. Same thing as lion dancing. its only one aspect of TCMA. but how can people mock something they know they can’t do themselves? i can understand if someone watch lion dancing once and picked it up completely on the first attempt. i know they won’t.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Some people believe that all others must train for the same reason(s) that they themselves train, and every other reason is stup!d. The fact is, everyone who trains has their own purposes for doing so. And I see nothing wrong with that. I personally never cared for lion dance and have never done it; yet I give credit to those who do it and enjoy it. Nothing is as easy as it looks.
As for wushu’s future, esp. taolu, I doubt there’s much of one in China. There’s probably more people outside of China who like it. I think wushu’s popularity saw its heyday in the 1980s and has declined since then. Similar to what wenshu mentioned earlier, most Chinese I’ve spoken to (regarding these things) don’t seem to care at all about MA in general and CMA in particular. Many act embarrassed by or ignorant of it, and it’s certainly not a high priority like a high education or learning piano/violin, etc. Most will not view either wushu or CMA as a valid or lucrative career option; thus, not an activity worth pursuing.
Wushu takes a lot of its posturing from classical Chinese opera. If you’ve ever watched that stuff, you can see how one aspect of performance integrated into kung fu. We ran an article on this in our 2009 May/June issue: A Day at the Beijing Opera: An Analysis of the Wushu and Acrobatic Skills of Beijing Opera By Emilio Alpanseque
I love the fight scenes in Beijing Opera. There’s some amazing stuff, especially in Monkey King. That’s some 200+ years of tradition pouring into kung fu. I just can’t hang with pentatonic scale for too long. :o
I think most people muddle traditional kung fu vs. modern wushu with performance vs. combat effectiveness. Clearly, there is performance in traditional. There is also combat effectiveness in modern wushu too, but you really got to dig for it, and for most practitioners, it’s just not worth it.
When I was in China the big thing was ballroom dancing, forget the Kung Fu. But at the same time no matter where you go you can find someone in a park that knows something. But you have to bust out a form first to get them to come forward.
In Shanghai 1998 we were practicing the seminar form in a parking lot when a guy riding by on a bicycle going to work saw us and stopped. Turned out he knew the set we just learned and trained with the Master when he was younger. And the Master teaching the seminar came in by train and wasn’t even from the area. Pretty good for a few billion people.
