http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-10/14/content_3614729.htm
Good or bad.
What do you think?
Iām torn. Itās nice that CMA will get the exposure but on the other hand It makes me wonder when XMA will be an olympic sport. :eek:
I donāt think it is fair to compare xma to wushu. They are completely different. I donāt feel like getting into it now. I think you guys need to actually take a wushu class to see all the different elements there are to the training. Its not just gymnastics.
THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT DEPENDING WHO TEACHS. unless you have every teacher from around the world there to judge, it would be impossible
You post this like itās something newā¦
Weāve been following the Wushu Olympic story since 2001. In fact, weāve been the only mag to give it so much serious attention since it has a tremendous effect on CMA. We did a series of articles starting after Beijing secured the 2008 games and followed it quite closely for some time. Still do, in fact, although now its embedded in other articles, not so much a stand-alone feature. We predicted it was going to be a demo sport - itās been leaning that way since the Asian Games. Demo sport is fine - TKD started out as a demo sport. Iām very excited about it and am hoping I can score some seats in Beijing.
I think its fantastic news.
If modern Wushu will succeed in 2008 Olympic then all TCMA will die.
WOW! Cheer up dude.
I didnāt say that wushu people donāt train hard. Iām sure they train very hard and Iām sure itās not easy. What I am saying is that they are turning kung fu into a performance art just like XMA. Theyāre turning kung fu into figure skating.
I know what you mean but it is a far cry from figure skating. The stances and power generation are still there. Hitting a stance after doing a string of running and jumping is agony and then throwing more punches from low stances. The tradtional school will always be around. I see no reason why they canāt co-exist. People want different things out of their training.
Actually training wushu is the only way to see the benefits. I had a teacher that would let you try a class but not watch. So you feel the training instead of just seeing it.
I train wingchun that is mostly hard sparring. I know the benefits of both. So its not like I see just one side. The wingchun guys make fun of me for training wushu. But they canāt kick like me or have my endurance and yes both are from wushu training. Did I mention I lost 50 pounds. Shed all the fat. I know wingchun wasnāt doing that for me.
The TCMA students could not win in the form competation so the TCMA instructors would modify all their form by adding fancy jumping into it. You will soon see
- Wing Chuan guys add āflying side kickā in their āspear fingerā form.
- Taiji guys add āspin back kickā in their Yang long form.
- XingYi guys add ātornado kickā in their 12 animal form.
- Bagua guys add āred guardā walking in their ācircle walkingā.
Soon we will have only one style left on earth, the modern Wushu. People would believe that the sole purpose of CMA is:
- Put on colorful silk pajama.
- Perform fancing dancing.
- Please judges.
- Please audience.
- Please the communist Chinese government.
lol You think xingyi would be hurt by adding a kick? Tornado is my favorite kick. Well inner crescent to be precise.
Wingchun has no flying kicks. lol
I donāt mean to laugh but come on. These styles are different. They look different and they are trained different. Doesnāt make either bad.
I just started learning Long fist! I love it! I have to admit the part I am up to now is so exhausting I donāt think I could continue without passing out.
I think the biggest threat to TCMA is MMA. Since TCMA are supposed to be all about fighting and applications you never see anyone win. In the beginning the traditionalists got their asses handed to them. Here lies the threat. Why train these styles if they donāt work under spontaneous fighting enviroment. Just train wushu for the expression and athletisim and take boxing. Oh or in my case wingchun.
Just look at how Wushu guys changed the Lien Bu Chuan (taught in Nanking CMA Institute) then you know what I mean. It broke the continuity of the original form and makes a southern Chinese form look like a northern Chinese form.
http://www.chinahand.com/Fun%20Stuff/our_forms.htm
The modern Wushu guys just emphasis on the wrong stuff.
TCMA canāt be all that bad. We need to have faith in ourselves. On the outside we are surrounded by BJJ, MMA, and Muah Thai guys. On the inside we got corrupted by the evil communist modern Wushu guys. We canāt just give up our hope without given a good fight.
Most of the people doing that form werenāt very good. I have never seen that before. I see what you mean in this instance. I would be upset too.
I completed wushu Baji last month. I have researched it on the net and it looks almost exactly like the traditional.
Challenge 'em!
I think traditional Wushu should go challenge the modern Wushu like the time Bruce Lee was challenged. If modern Wushu holds their own then traditional Wushu should shut up and let them be. 
Letās start with San Franās China Town where that legendary challenge was held!
I am all the way with YKW on this one. Modern Wushu is a disgrace to Traditional Wushu and Kung Fu period.
Mantis108
Everyone needs to calm down and eat chips and dip. Wushu is not a threat to traditonal martial arts training. They compliment each other very well. The problem is most people lack the experience of both. You have to really understand the differences in order to benefit. Shou Yu Liang is a top traditional master teaching many traditional and contemporary styles. Ask him if wushu is a threat to traditional training. Heāll think youāre joking. You have to broaden yourselves. Have you ever seen Helen Liangās Liuhe Bafa? Itās sick!! Sheās a wushu master. Sheās also a qigong expert. You also have to realize what it means to be a professional chinese martial artist. It means to be well rounded.
If Wushu guys
- Wear cotton instead of silk.
- Fight full contact instead of perform forms only.
- Use regular weight weapon instead of light weight weapon.
- Put belt around their waist.
- Donāt walk like āred guardā.
Then Iāll have no problem with them.
Totally agree with this point of view.
The biggest threat to CMA is CMAists being too close-minded to adapt and be relevant in modern times. Some of the best wushu iāve ever seen is by TCMA practioners who have a clear understanding of the differences and are good at both. Getting wushu exposure will only help promote all CMA including traditional arts and San da.
YouKnowWho
If modern Wushu will succeed in 2008 Olympic then all TCMA will die.
Letās correct that statement. It should read āIf modern Wushu will succeed in 2008 Olympic then YouKnowWhoās TCMA will die.ā And it should have the addendum that āYouKnowWhoās TCMA was useless anyway because YouKnowWhoās TCMA couldnāt stand up to modern wushu.ā
Come on YouKnowWho, donāt be such a whiner. I canāt wait to see Olympic wushu and thereās no way it will kill my traditional practice. NO WAY. Iām too old to practice wushu seriously, but my traditional practice will stay with me, hopefully for the rest of my life. If it doesnāt, thatās my fault, not the fault of TCMA, not wushu, not even the Olympics. What are you thinking? Do you think Homeland Security is going to force me to do wushu when it goes Olympic? Are you going to give up your TCMA practice just because wushu goes Olympic. Donāt be silly. Donāt compare your practice to others. When you stop to compare, you lose the way.
If your TCMA is so weak that it canāt stand up to Wushu, you donāt got real kung fu. You might as well take up bocci ball. As for my TCMA, itās my personal practice and I will keep on pursuing it as long as I am able, no matter what happens at the Olympics.
Hey Gene! Iāll also be trying to score some tickets. I wasnāt sure if I would do more than a two year stint here when I arrived but the longer I live in China the more I like living in China so it is increasingly likely that I WILL be here in 2008 and I will be spending the summer of 2008 in Beijing. If we both make it there letās meet up, ok?
YouKnowWho: Iām a hardcore proponent of TCMA. Iāve been telling all my classmates in my Chinese class about some of the things I learned in TCMA in Canada. I am also learning Wushu. Will I use that particularly style of Long Fist in a real fight? No! Iād be more likely to stick to Hei Long grappling and Hung Gar bridging like I always have. Does learning Wushu invalidate the skills I already have? No! Is it a threat to TCMA? NO! Itās a bloody ad for CMA and Wushu looks all purty so we will probably see an upsurge in students in WC schools, CLF schools, Hung Gar schools, all those, along with the Wushu schools.
right?
Finally is Wushu fun? YES!
Is Wushu healthy? Yes
Is Wushu hard work? HELL YES!
I have said my piece now.