Originally posted by Ernie
[B] if a bong is a transitional motion to freeze it and strike with it , would change it’s character would it not to a elbow strike or lan perhaps ?
or Bong Sau is passive? avoid at all costs
for the record , bong has it’s place and time as all things but of the three hands tan concept ,fook concept and bong concept it is the most passive in respect to how often it comes up and how it is supposed to be used .
but i’m all for droppin elbows on people , i just consider that a bong:cool:
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for the record, I think all these times people are talking about two different aspects of the Bong, the technique aspect and the energy aspect. My common sense tells me you are more on the technique aspect, which is fine and admirable. For me, I am more interested in the energy aspect of it. Say how to blend the bong energy into the punch. Of course we don’t post a good looking Bong Sau just for the camera when sparring. As for hanging on the Bong against someone, that depends on the other person’s attributes too (can he really push/press?). So really no big deal, one can use lots of muscle to do such an immovable trick also.
yylee
i hear you
i’m just not big on freezing any motion or crystalizing a position , things get sketchy when that happens . or worse when people [try ]and make something work just because it’s a wing chun hand and they have to prove it
to me it’s all motion if it’s 1/3 bong and 2/3 punch great , something hawkins told me a few years ago , and even though i usualy don’t quote people on this case i’ll make a exception
he said ’ i won’t beat you with tan bong or fook , but with what lies inbetween the actions ‘’
it took me along time to figure that out but now i see
Can you give me a sneak preview of the 3 Ying kick?
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ha, ha, can’t say I know Hendrik’s kicking methods…
if memory serves, I think the 3 Yings on the legs are activated when breathing in, say from K1 and up via the in-side of the legs. The 3 leg Yangs get activated while breathing out, that go from body and down via the out-side of legs.
ha, ha, can’t say I know Hendrik’s kicking methods…
anyway, got to go swimming with my kids… [/B]
shhh.
My Kyokushin and Mua Thai friends don’t know I do WCK type of hands.
My WCK friends don’t know I do Muay Thai type of kicks.
My Yik Kam doesn’t know I did Emei 12 Zhuang.
And 12 Zhuang friends doesn’t know I do White CRane.
And White Crane friends doesn’t know I do SLT.
And WCK friends don’t know I do Muay Thai… confuse, and since I don’t know who the heck am I. I have no self.
I don’t know what to call a Kyokushi ax kick with emei 12 Zhuang tiger step engine…
Hey Rene, I am going to create Wing Babe with Diaz. Wing Chun + BJJ.
See, life get so complicated now… better keep quit. shhhh
All movements (sao) are initial, transitional, and terminal, otherwise they aren’t economical and should be replaced with something better. IME, bong sao is very economical all three ways and the only thing that can freeze it is forcing it to be only one way.
But my family has been intercepting, changing, and finishing with Bong Sao for generations. YMMV
hendrik , paul
this whole dedicating songs to each other thing
it’s got me a lttle un easy about us all getting together for dinner ,
if you two start touchy feely and start playing with each others chan/jing/fa/ meridians what ever
be warned i’m turning over tables ,swinging chairs and stabbbing with silverware
My sincere apology for the oversight, this is for you, bro! Dinner still on?
We Don’t Need Another Hero
Out of the ruins
Out from the wreckage
Can’t make the same mistake this time
We are the children
The last generation
We are the ones they left behind
And I wonder when we are ever gonna change
Living under the fear, till nothing else remains
We don’t need another hero
We don’t need to know the way home
All we want is life beyond
Wingchundome
Looking for something
We can rely on
There’s gotta be something better out there
Love and compassion
Their day is coming
All else are castles built in the air
And I wonder when we are ever gonna change
Living under the fear till nothing else remains
All the children say
We don’t need another hero
We don’t need to know the way home
All we want is life beyond
Wingchundome
So what do we do with our lifes
We leave only a mark
Will our story shine like a light
Or end in the dark
Give it all or nothing
We don’t need another hero
We don’t need to know the way home
All we want is life beyond
Wingchundome
and Ernie make sure you invite Diaz to dinner so none of these Chan/Fa/Ding/Dong/ChaCha/Jing/Meridian/12JoJo conversation would take place between the two
