I see mind, physical body, and internal body energy. Although Dan tien is associated with breathing. So breathing body is implied indirectly to make sense of the text.
Originally posted by PaulH
I see mind body, physical body, and internal body energy.
Actually there is mind body , physical body, breathing body, qi flow body, the Jing body.
Somehow the translater miss the breathing body. IMHO.
Why am “I” so sure? read the example about the breathing…
Breathing body and Qi flow body can be group as one in general if not get to very detail… Thus, the translater mis atleast one.
why am I so sure not to use Internal body energy? because Chen family is famous with its rolling silk Jing. That jing body. and certainly, the Breathing body and qi flow body have to go with it hand by hand. otherwise it will not work. with the example about the breathing… “I” am even more sure.
But then there are to much details to write… dont get me wrong as critics the translator or the author of the article. he did a great job. and I can learn alots from him. Just an exercise and having some fun.
Someone can check with Chen Xiao Wang to see if I am full of it. hahaha. “I” can be miss leading. 
Well, now you can “listern” to your SLT for its “tango” and see the “Diaz”.
Aha! I beat you to it on the breathing body! Still what all these mean?
Regards,
Originally posted by PaulH
[B]Aha! I beat you to it on the breathing body! Still what all these mean?
Regards, [/B]
Ok you can beat me. No problem.
What is it means?
why is people taking x ray or infared pictures?
Why there needs a circuit diagram of mechanical blue print.
Who are you going to call?
Well, Called Chen Xiao-Wang!
Joy, “I” want to get out of this body to get into that body.
where is YY and Joy and KJ and John and…
Okay, that 's origin point. Where are you going with this? The point of no return? Are you saying that it’s an introduction to the 5 or 6 bodies - somethings like Siu Lim Tao 101? What is its design purpose? You can tell me clearly as you are a designer yourself.
Regards,
Where? Busy breathing!!!
prana vayu.
CXW is really talking about nature though he is at the Chen gate.
AS has been mentioned before (including you) nature is nature-
some mother. You know the kubdalini also coils!!
Very difficult to break through mechanical paradigms.
You know, Joy, you could say a few more words…Okay, how do I get mind and body unified in this context. I like to use this special knowledge to beat Ernie at least in chi sau if not sparring.
Regards,
Paul- begin by doing everything mindfully- including walking.
The problem is that most folks will blow this off as mumbo jumbo-
but it isnt.
Many are trying to learn wing chun and other arts without paying attention to the roots. The siu lim tau among other things when done right helps develop intent.
Even in the slt- when something moves- everything moves.
On the short run speed can beat you in chi sao- but the long run is quite different.
Lots of folks are faster and stronger than me… but the chi sao or the actual situation is quite different. Work on the long run- the short run situation will also improve.
It did and does for me- honest injun. You are not go throw some Ogden Nash verse now are you? I will laugh ahead of time!!
Nah! Your preemptive strike caught me speechless. Slow and steady just like Kathy sez…Oh well, can’t say that I’m not disappointed. Ha! Ha!
Regards,
Originally posted by PaulH
[B]You know, Joy, you could say a few more words…Okay, how do I get mind and body unified in this context. I like to use this special knowledge to beat Ernie at least in chi sau if not sparring.
Regards, [/B]
ummm This is not Joy, how to get mind and body unified?
Place the physical body transparency on the most bottom.
lay the breathing body transparency on the top of it.
Then, lay the qi flow body transparency on top of that.
Then, lay the JIng body transparency on top of that
then, lay the mind body transparency on top of that
then, staple all transparency together in the dan dian location.
wala. you have just unified everything. and since the stapple is at the dandian location when one transparency moves all moves together. Hey, this is Yik Kam’s patent of transparency organizing.
As for Ernie, what the heck. Dope him with cuban cigar. Get him drunk. Take his hat away and black mail him if he don’t let you win you will kill his CAP or based ball hat. That will work. don’t need body mind… too long and to expensive. Dope him dope him. Or evey easier, get Gary Lam to beat him. then, you don’t even have to waiste a single breath.
Brilliant, Hendrik! My fuzzy brain gears are clicking now, but I don’t know if my Dan tien can hold on these transparencies. How do you define Jing body? I need your precision of the Rolex on this time hand, or else all will be for naught.
Ernie, on the other hand, must pay for all his fun and laughs at my clumsy as well as idiotic chisau with him. You’re my chosen one to lead the way. Ha! Ha!
Regards,
Originally posted by PaulH
How do you define Jing body?
Regards,
The street map of LA. how the trafic suppose to flow and transport.
Hendrik,
Here is my confusion. I don’t know much about these bodies except through reading books dealing with internal body aspects. When I do fa jing, it is like a mind trigger thing to me. I don’t think of Jing routes or Qi flow at all. So do I need to know about this Jing body or its routes at all in order to issue Jing? Does anybody need to know in details of these 5 bodies in order to have their mind and body unified for that matter?
Regards,
Originally posted by PaulH
[B]Hendrik,
Here is my confusion. I don’t know much about these bodies except through reading books dealing with internal body aspects. When I do fa jing, it is like a mind trigger thing to me. I don’t think of Jing routes or Qi flow at all. So do I need to know about this Jing body or its routes at all in order to issue Jing? Does anybody need to know in details of these 5 bodies in order to have their mind and body unified for that matter?
Regards, [/B]
What is Fa Jing for you?
how do you Fa?
what is a mind triggle?
what is the different between a lik and a jing?
What type of jing? sustain? repel? penetrating? vibrating?..
How powerfull can it be?
How far can it penetrate?.. more questions…
To make a magnect from iron what shoult one align?
I have the question you have the answer ----Radioshack
Go buy a Chen Ching’s Chen TaiJi book and see why he has to draw all those sili diagrams…
It is like what happens when you do the dragon pole punching; or like when you split the atom, then comes this release burst of energy in two direction. I guess it is to me more explosive and a little penetrating due to the propel of the initial force explosion. Mind you, I’m very new at this so I’m at a loss of words to relate this precisely.
Regards,
Originally posted by PaulH
[B]It is like what happens when you do the dragon pole punching; or like when you split the atom, then comes this release burst of energy in two direction. I guess it is to me more explosive and a little penetrating due to the propel of the initial force explosion. Mind you, I’m very new at this so I’m at a loss of words to relate this precisely.
Regards, [/B]
Thus, “i” have heard,
Fajing is Yee is there Jing is there.
as it said
Bring back and issuing is at will.
As how one align all the bodies at the instance of Yee changes.
that is the art and kung fu.
more explosion mean uncontrol force. seems that is muscular localize . Two or multi- directions means less align with physical body structure and Yee… …pointing to be Lik not Jing…
means the Legs and waist handling crapping… means in Chi Sau Ernie can force you with his body muscle and speed but you can’t sustain.
just some guess can be dead wrong and don’t know what I am talking about. “I” might change my job to fortune telling if these guesses goes on and on and on… don’t take it serious.
Okay, maybe you can show me the fine differences between the two later. All I know that it is very fun watching people got shocked when you apply this to their bridges. Ha! Ha!
Regards,
explosiveness comes from the mind when it is free
power comes from the ground when the body is relaxed .
when mind and body are unified and focused there is intent .
to have and release this power you must have control of your balance position and point .
only when one gets emotional , and ''want’s ‘’ it too much do things get sloppy .
just thought i would screw around with you guys a bit hahahaha
p.s. i havent really been following all you have been talking about you know once you get into jing and fing and bing and all that other stuff i tune out 
but it seems like your having fun:D
You missed out ping.
hendik
something else just popped into my mind ‘’ and it was very lonly in there:) ‘’
for all the fa and jing and walking on water stuff:) to work you need to have a clear mind .
but once pain is inflicted or the nervous system is shocked some how all that stuff goes out the window or needs time to reset . sonce the mind ,body spirit whatever you want to call it has to deal with this new set of signals that are comiing in . concentration levels drop and he is just a regular guy screaming and cussing after he stubbed his toe on the end table .
when you shell shock some one you create this enviroment and thus a door opens .
gary told me a story once about the time he played with the chinese tai chi champ and for all gary tried he couldn’t hurt the guy he was like water and just absorbed and rolled with every punch , so gary being the sneaky person he is kicked the guy in the thigh , the tai chi guy tensed up from the pain and gary socked him in the face and down he went later the guy complained that gary shouldn’t of kicked him .
in the end no matter how much of all these body mind spirit things we get down we are still just flesh and blood and human . and a stubbed toe still hurts like hell:)