Does anybody have any stories, info, footage, or winners lists from these tournaments held?
I have heard there were fights between different Kung Fu styles and even fights with Thai Boxers that were all full contact and got quite bloody at times.
I think Master Chan Sau Chung produced some fighters that won in those events.
Any info would be appreciated.
Cheers.
http://www.liuhopafa.com/fight11.JPG
Wai Lun choi fighting in one of these, he says on his page he fought for 4 days :eek:
Tat Mau Wong also fought in some, had a pic or two of them in an old article
Cool link. Thanks.
It seems a shame there isn’t a lot of footage of these fights around. It could be a great learning tool for some to see how CMA’s fought in that arena.
I’ve seen old 8 mm black and white footage of it, but doubt it is commercially available
if you do variations on the name in google you’ll find several short accounts by people like Lai Hung, and even this crazy fighitng tai chi guy from HK 
Found this on Lai Hung.
brief mention in this tai chi article
http://www.taichichuan.co.uk/information/articles/1979v3n10_1.html
fukien white crane article
http://www.usadojo.com/styles/about-shaolin-white-crane-kung-fu.htm
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;927409]brief mention in this tai chi article
http://www.taichichuan.co.uk/information/articles/1979v3n10_1.html
fukien white crane article
http://www.usadojo.com/styles/about-shaolin-white-crane-kung-fu.htm[/QUOTE]
I have Bernards Book on White Crane, Fukien Flying Crane to be exact.
Not bad at all, a good read.
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;927409]brief mention in this tai chi article
http://www.taichichuan.co.uk/information/articles/1979v3n10_1.html
fukien white crane article
http://www.usadojo.com/styles/about-shaolin-white-crane-kung-fu.htm[/QUOTE]
Very nice!!! Great thread so-far.
BQ
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;927440]I have Bernards Book on White Crane, Fukien Flying Crane to be exact.
Not bad at all, a good read.[/QUOTE]
SJ…a little off subject…you posted a few vid,s of some really good Tai Chi combat apps a couple of months ago…could you repost them…can’t remember what thread they were on…getting old:)
BQ
[QUOTE=Baqualin;927448]SJ…a little off subject…you posted a few vid,s of some really good Tai Chi combat apps a couple of months ago…could you repost them…can’t remember what thread they were on…getting old:)
BQ[/QUOTE]
Ah dude, I can’t remember which ones you are referring too, can you give me an idea of what was on them?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;927459]Ah dude, I can’t remember which ones you are referring too, can you give me an idea of what was on them?[/QUOTE]
I think it was on the Tai Chi thread…they were vid.'s from the UK and showed real combat apps for various postures from the Yang form. I really liked them…they were very modern and straight to the point.
[QUOTE=Baqualin;927487]I think it was on the Tai Chi thread…they were vid.'s from the UK and showed real combat apps for various postures from the Yang form. I really liked them…they were very modern and straight to the point.[/QUOTE]
This one?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;927491]This one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqVMKXf4ogw[/QUOTE]
YES Thanks!!! When the internal students go into the external classes and spar they get their a$$es kicked…I’m working with them to turn the tables…a couple are starting to get it…I’ve got them wedging.
[QUOTE=Baqualin;927497]YES Thanks!!! When the internal students go into the external classes and spar they get their a$$es kicked…I’m working with them to turn the tables…a couple are starting to get it…I’ve got them wedging.[/QUOTE]
The main reason that “internal” ( no such thing by the way) students get their asses hand to them is because they tend NOT to train their fighting principles in a fighting way.
Taiji has some of the best power production for short distance strikes, but when was the last time you saw a taiji person doing them VS a bag, much less another fighter?
Then how do they expect to be able to them for real?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;927508]The main reason that “internal” ( no such thing by the way) students get their asses hand to them is because they tend NOT to train their fighting principles in a fighting way.
Taiji has some of the best power production for short distance strikes, but when was the last time you saw a taiji person doing them VS a bag, much less another fighter?
Then how do they expect to be able to them for real?[/QUOTE]
the label “internal” was the worst thing to ever happen to those arts, because in practice their techniques are good striking and good grappling, but since they seldom train realistically anymore, much of it is being lost (or is lost totally)
[QUOTE=Baqualin;927497]YES Thanks!!! When the internal students go into the external classes and spar they get their a$$es kicked…I’m working with them to turn the tables…a couple are starting to get it…I’ve got them wedging.[/QUOTE]
Here is another :
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;927509]the label “internal” was the worst thing to ever happen to those arts, because in practice their techniques are good striking and good grappling, but since they seldom train realistically anymore, much of it is being lost (or is lost totally)[/QUOTE]
I understand that, just using the universal label. I agree! In the 70’s at my school we were taught that way… our push hands are all about strikes, sweeps,locks, kicks, throws, and some grappling…that’s all I knew…it has been really frustrating lately when I play hands with other Tai Chi players outside of our school and they tell me I’m not using real Tai Chi because I do all of the above. All they want to do is push and say if you push somebody down enough they will get frustrated and quit…I’m thinking no, their going to get pi$$ed off and get up and kill you. I also tell them that pushing is fine until someone slaps the sh!t out of you, then what are you going to do. It’s crazy.
Push hands, like Chi Sao in WC, is in many ways the main problem.
A drill that was used to develop a certain skill set or attribute(s) becomes the “end all” of a system in terms of functional training.
Just sad.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;927529]Push hands, like Chi Sao in WC, is in many ways the main problem.
A drill that was used to develop a certain skill set or attribute(s) becomes the “end all” of a system in terms of functional training.
Just sad.[/QUOTE]
Told this a few times before
Guang Yi Ren is Chen Xiaowang’s rep in NYC. We ar friends with one of his students. They have video tape of the push hands competitions they do at Chen village
IT IS WRESTLING
it is not the touchy feely no force crap you see over here
a US based “push hands champion” went to Chen village and asked to push, he was picked up in a body lock and thrown, he told them they weren’t doing tai chi push hands :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;927512]Here is another :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ1OOPdkiPs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jy9CxSb_1M&feature=related[/QUOTE]
Those are more familiar…I’ve been practicing Chen for around 10 years now and it’s my primary focus (or should I say my favorite) along with Baqua (30 years here). Not saying I’m good…it’s just a big part of my life.