TCMA reality - MIA

i thikn i understand u mang. getting these ppls for years and years must wears u down and make u dperessed. but new york is a huge city with many people, thats the best place to make a difference for kung fu. i think there must be a way

i think traditional kung fu need is to stop teaching forms. its meaningless all vanity. for what?

we need to make a traditional organiztion to actively promote real kung fu. we need to go public and openly challenge fake kung fu and educate peopel.

traditionally its viewed as evil and treason

[QUOTE=TenTigers;1023228]y’know, when I was in fourth grade, I had a crush on Andrea Morgan. I used to follow her home from school, or ride my bike past her house every day hoping for a glimpse of her, sometimes I would wait a few houses away and watch her.
That was considered cute.
Now, all of a sudden, it’s stalking!

Of course, a 53 yr-old guy on a bicycle sitting outside Andrea Morgan’s house is kinda…
kinda…
well let’s just say,
it probably isn’t that cute anymore.[/QUOTE]

THAT is not the question…the question is, “Is SHE still cute???”

If so, then who cares what the police and neighbors think…just tell them, “What’s good enough for Britney Spears is good enough for Andrea Morgan!”, then show them your paparazzi credentials and it will all be fine!:slight_smile:

[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1023230]admittedly, the monkeys made it impossible not to sign up :o[/QUOTE]

Yeah… you say that now…but wait til they start slinging poo while you are trying to remain, unobtrusive, or start humping your leg right when you are about to pull the trigger…er…I mean take a surveillance picture!:mad:

[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1023237]We ran an old school (ie fighting based) kung fu school called “Lama Kung Fu” in NYC for almost 9 years, and that was “way back” in the 80’s/early 90’s (I think the situation has gotten worse recently). With “kung fu” on the door we got wackos, nut jobs, weirdos, but mostly people who wanted to learn forms, didn’t want to work hard and didn’t want to fight.

Curriculum wise, very little of what I do has changed… the fact I dropped the "kung fu"name unfortunately got me the students who could actually do the material[/QUOTE]

you’re still teaching forms and weapons?

[QUOTE=bawang;1023240]
we need to make a traditional organiztion to actively promote real kung fu. we need to go public and openly challenge fake kung fu and educate peopel.
[/QUOTE]

I almost entirely agree, aside from worrying at all about the fakes. To take away time for training for that is a waste, imo, and to focus skills gained from that work on fakes with no skill at all is a further waste that does nothing to reform our kung fu and does little to stop the fakes.

[QUOTE=bawang;1023240]i thikn i understand u mang. getting these ppls for years and years must wears u down and make u dperessed. but new york is a huge city with many people, thats the best place to make a difference for kung fu. i think there must be a way

i think traditional kung fu need is to stop teaching forms. its meaningless all vanity. for what?

we need to make a traditional organiztion to actively promote real kung fu. we need to go public and openly challenge fake kung fu and educate peopel.

traditionally its viewed as evil and treason[/QUOTE]

Why bother? It’s the old masters fault for having open door and closed door students. Naturally the open door students are going to spread it widely. Not much we can do about that…so why bother?

[QUOTE=KC Elbows;1023363]I almost entirely agree, aside from worrying at all about the fakes. To take away time for training for that is a waste, imo, and to focus skills gained from that work on fakes with no skill at all is a further waste that does nothing to reform our kung fu and does little to stop the fakes.[/QUOTE]

this is it in a nutshell - the problem is that even with good quality control, kungfu “skill” is something that is easy to fake to the general public, because of the ethos surrounding it; as such, you can make it look “good” on the outside, between dancing forms that look flowery and “kung-fuey” (all you realy need to do is a bunch of odd-looking movements that you call kung-fu - to wit, Shaolin Do), or a do some “qigong”, which is nothing more than physics and practiced “tricks” (meaning that there may be some skill to puling them off, but not the one you are claiming, in terms of “qi” development); or you can toss your hypmotized students across the room because you’ve trained them subliminaly to do that;

that, and all the fortune cookie BS that puts the average person into a state of uncertainty: old saws like, “a true fighter doesn’t have to fight / prove anything”, “I can only demonstrate “x” deadly technique on long-term students who are able to handle it”, “our technique is too deadly to be practised against resisting opponents”, “the advanced stuff is secret”, “I can’t reveal my lineage because of ‘x’”, “it takes 10/20/30/100 yrs. to become an effective fighter w/this, but once you do, you can defeat anyone”, “our power doesn’t come from muscle but from internal power”, and so on, in a way cannot be judged adequately by most people in the US, because they have no context beyond what they see in movies / on TV, and since it’s the same silliness there, they kinda think that’s how it should be; or it’s how they WANT it to be, because they are looking for something super-secret and special, and so they are easy prey for sifus who spew that sort of nonsense (and many take it very seriously, so it’s blind leading bind)

[QUOTE=SevenStar;1023362]you’re still teaching forms and weapons?[/QUOTE]

Forms are just collections of techniques (and if you learned them properly, concepts) - I dont’ teach the forms, but I still teach everything (that works) from thos forms

As for the weapons, yes indeed… we can beat your arse in an MMA cage and with a staff :smiley:

[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1023231]hey, just remember, nothing says “I love you” like a restraining order…[/QUOTE]

That’s what my last gf thinks apparently after I said if she keeps sending me creepy text messages from other peoples phones, I will get one.

Nothing more romantic than a female who says “I will say anything just to see you again.”

[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1023372]this is it in a nutshell - the problem is that even with good quality control, kungfu “skill” is something that is easy to fake to the general public, because of the ethos surrounding it; as such, you can make it look “good” on the outside, between dancing forms that look flowery and “kung-fuey” (all you realy need to do is a bunch of odd-looking movements that you call kung-fu - to wit, Shaolin Do), or a do some “qigong”, which is nothing more than physics and practiced “tricks” (meaning that there may be some skill to puling them off, but not the one you are claiming, in terms of “qi” development); or you can toss your hypmotized students across the room because you’ve trained them subliminaly to do that;

that, and all the fortune cookie BS that puts the average person into a state of uncertainty: old saws like, “a true fighter doesn’t have to fight / prove anything”, “I can only demonstrate “x” deadly technique on long-term students who are able to handle it”, “our technique is too deadly to be practised against resisting opponents”, “the advanced stuff is secret”, “I can’t reveal my lineage because of ‘x’”, “it takes 10/20/30/100 yrs. to become an effective fighter w/this, but once you do, you can defeat anyone”, “our power doesn’t come from muscle but from internal power”, and so on, in a way cannot be judged adequately by most people in the US, because they have no context beyond what they see in movies / on TV, and since it’s the same silliness there, they kinda think that’s how it should be; or it’s how they WANT it to be, because they are looking for something super-secret and special, and so they are easy prey for sifus who spew that sort of nonsense (and many take it very seriously, so it’s blind leading bind)[/QUOTE]

Precisely. And, given that such people don’t want combat skills and the torture that builds them, they seek out what they’re really after, be it a workout, or a feeling of superiority, or a feeling of spirituality, or something more like Amway.

For the most part, the fakes aren’t stealing students from legitimate guys. The few die hard ma lovers who make the mistake of joining will someday find better. To focus on the fakes is a waste of time because it doesn’t provide those die hards a place to practice what they are really wanting to do. Providing more quality kung fu schools does, and quality training methods make the odds of there being more quality stuff out there much higher.

I don’t think reality is necessarily missing from the traditional Chinese arts altogether, just from a sadly large proportion of them.

I’ve always been a traditionalist myself. And I’ve been a traditional Chinese Internal Arts practitioner since '02, and specialized exclusively in Tai Chi Chuan since '08. I’m now 40 years old and I still step into the full contact ring and fight guys half my age (most recently just about 3 weeks ago). And I know how to teach what I’ve been taught and develop the same skills in others. Unfortunately there aren’t many people who actually want to undergo fight training, they’d rather just do form and push-hands…

Side note about weirdos…

The Judo club was filled with people who must’ve fallen off the bus on the way to the circus last night. There’s no honor in beating up 'tards. Boring night.

No matter how many fakes are rooted out, there will be another to take his place. It is a waste of time, unless they are filling ignorant people’s heads with garbage and brainwashing them into believing they are elite fighters when they are nothing more than form fairies. But believe it or not I think most form fairies know they are that and don’t claim to teach or produce strong fighters. Depends on the context of what the person is teaching.

[QUOTE=TenTigers;1023228]y’know, when I was in fourth grade, I had a crush on Andrea Morgan. I used to follow her home from school, or ride my bike past her house every day hoping for a glimpse of her, sometimes I would wait a few houses away and watch her.
That was considered cute.
Now, all of a sudden, it’s stalking!

Of course, a 53 yr-old guy on a bicycle sitting outside Andrea Morgan’s house is kinda…
kinda…
well let’s just say,
it probably isn’t that cute anymore.[/QUOTE]

You forgot to tell everybody that last year was when you were in fourth grade. :smiley:

I’ve never known one contemporary wushu teacher who claimed or wanted his or her students to believe that they were becoming combat machines.

[QUOTE=KC Elbows;1023395]I’ve never known one contemporary wushu teacher who claimed or wanted his or her students to believe that they were becoming combat machines.[/QUOTE]

but almost ALL the forms fairies DO think they are learning deadly techniques. sorry it’s true!

[QUOTE=bawang;1023240]i thikn i understand u mang. getting these ppls for years and years must wears u down and make u dperessed. but new york is a huge city with many people, thats the best place to make a difference for kung fu. i think there must be a way

i think traditional kung fu need is to stop teaching forms. its meaningless all vanity. for what?

we need to make a traditional organiztion to actively promote real kung fu. we need to go public and openly challenge fake kung fu and educate peopel.

traditionally its viewed as evil and treason[/QUOTE]

People can take what’s in the forms and still work with that. It will produce.
I think people do that now anyway and more all the time.
The world is fast becoming empty of old traditions, and not, at the same time. In a lot of ways they are being repackaged to suit a new set of desires.

[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1023398]but almost ALL the forms fairies DO think they are learning deadly techniques. sorry it’s true![/QUOTE]

I’m not saying it isn’t at all.

Let’s put this another way.

Again, I can name at least ten people on here who are new sifus or on the cusp of becoming sifus who have been positively impacted by info you shared(when you weren’t trolling). Who have better, more notaqble kung fu because of it.

Whereas you are saying that all your efforts to fight the bad kung fu have been fruitless.

So, focusing on improving kung fu, you improved it, focusing on fighting the tards, you’ve mostly been arguing with tards. sorry, it’s true!:smiley:

I never troll… post nude pics of Gene Ching, yes, a few Shaolin Taco ™ tributes, but never troll!

I apologize. I meant to say when you were facetiously manufacturing flame wars. In between the shaolin taco pics and –shudder–posting the naked Gene Ching pics.